I think this is to solve the problem of people buying credits and show 10 links in main his and dyn 24/7 and gain a high avg. Although, you can hardly click back what you gained even in dyn, especially if you particiapte in happy hours
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:02 am
Bruno73 wrote:
I don't know exactly where the problem comes from, but the following stats are not coherent:
- the MinAvg value displayed on the Dynasty page (14362 for RMV today)
- the MinAvg value displayed on the Dynasty Activity tab (12388 for RMV today)
activity tab should be read as: value of MinAvg showed on 09-09-09 (till reset to be more precise) was 12388
I can't read this thread more. Where is a problem? If there is possibility to buy credits - everybody can use that. If somebody buy's more credits - Yarold should be happy. That's all.
"Feeder dynasties" - joke - how to stop them- joke. Can buy credits - OK, can't buy credits - OK for me too, but not to Yarold.
Are all need to be as Jay or bluebell_rose thinking? No - they can work more with their dynasty and listen advices from another users too. Why to try figure out system how they can be on a first place? That's all going wrong way right now - I think we need clear system how averages and dynasty averages counting or there will be no users at all soon.
If I said something that hurts somebody - kick me out of Yarold's - with changes of system every day to worse I'm going to leave soon anyway.
Sorry, my English isn't good enough.
All the best and lets end that meaningless war
Mari
the problem is alot of people including me can't afford to buy credits. We have commitments like tutiion, rent, bills to pay. It's not fair to the dyns who can''t afford to buy credits. And I was protesting the fact that one could theoritically gain a high avg and be at the top, without doing a single lick of clicks back in the new system, The new change is an attempt by stan to fix the flaw
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:38 am
bluebell_rose wrote:
And I was protesting the fact that one could theoritically gain a high avg and be at the top, without doing a single lick of clicks back in the new system, The new change is an attempt by stan to fix the flaw
Just a big: YES!
Thats the same I was thinking and thats exactly why I like the new update!
Maybe its time to make a summary of the different updates:
Old System of Dyn/Ave:
It only counted what you click and not what you give back. If everyone is only interested in clicking links but not in showing links the clickers dont find a link to click
-> bad system!
Update - clicked links and received clicks count together:
The links you click and the received clicks get counted together. Very nice new system and much better then the old one, but it has a big diasadvantage:
The problem is, that people that have a lot of money and that want to spend money for Yarolds rule the ranking. If a person buys credits and shows 10 Links 24/7 in Main, History and Dynasty this person does not even need to click to have a high ranking. (10*400=4000 only in Dynasty and then maybe even the ones in History and Main. Maybe that will get together 6000 or 8000 received clicks? -> Clicking 0 = Average 3000 or 4000. Try to reach that without money )
Maybe you now say, great: Much money for Stan. Yes, but not in a long run, because if that starts many people will leave Yarolds including me (everyone who does not use money to show more links).
Newest update - the lower one counts:
The lower amount counts. The clicked links or the received clicks.
Buying credits still is nice but you also have to click a lot to get to the top.
With that update also feeder Dynasties are not that usefull anymore! Why?
Lets say I allie with a Feeder Dynasty. They show 10 Links 24/7 only in Dynasty and only I are allied with them! I get a lot of lcicks but have to low amount of received clicks -> I need to show my links to make it equal -> My other allies click me more and also need to show more to their allies to make themselves also equal. So in the end that credits of the feeder dynasties spread the Yarolds world. -> Feeder Dynasties are not that usefull anymore!
If anything above written is wrong, please let me know. Maybe we even find a better way to make it more better.
Thank you!
P.s.
I also often read, that its just needed to forbig transfers to avoid feeder Dynasties. yes, that would definately help but it would also kill the most fun on Yarolds.
- No contests anymore
- No helping of new members
- No helpings of non Vip members that get fast negative
- No possibilities to snd credits to valuabled members
- you can go on here .......
So in my opinion, forbidding to send credits is the most stupid way to stop feeder Dynasties!
Stan you knew this is going on and yet you keep supporting the largest dynasties?
You know I am fully aware of the situation on main and what that means for the site, I mailed you some suggestions a month ago, and I have no problem with showing a link on main if need be, but why should I help when you keep showing I don't count as long as I am not in a large dynasty?
Exactly. If you are in a smaller dynasty you and your opinion/thoughts/feelings/clicks/links/credits (that you get by clicking or buy with your own money and aren't handed to you by the site admin in competitions geared toward large dynasties) aren't worth anything on Yarolds.
I don't care about averages, I don't care how high are they or how are counted.
I don't care about dynasties, I dont even have one.
What do I do?
I do things that SWLE was created for:
- I show my link,
- I click other links,
and that's it!
If You are not satisfied with credit cost of your link (eg YerHotel) make your own dynasty with only Hotel links. Fair? Fair!
If You dont like buying credits, don't buy them. You won't lose anyhing.
It is all about getting your link clicked. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:45 pm
eirien wrote:
Jeanne wrote:
Stan you knew this is going on and yet you keep supporting the largest dynasties?
You know I am fully aware of the situation on main and what that means for the site, I mailed you some suggestions a month ago, and I have no problem with showing a link on main if need be, but why should I help when you keep showing I don't count as long as I am not in a large dynasty?
Exactly. If you are in a smaller dynasty you and your opinion/thoughts/feelings/clicks/links/credits (that you get by clicking or buy with your own money and aren't handed to you by the site admin in competitions geared toward large dynasties) aren't worth anything on Yarolds.
So the solo contest dont exist, and i ignore those in smaller dynasties ?
Are you sure that you are not using this as cover that you want hard working dynasties be last ones, and those with 1-2 members as first ?
There's no incentive to cooperate with a system that supports bullying, terrorism and blackmailing of smaller dynasties.
This is what I have dealt with as Emp of a smaller dynasty: Make your members show more links or we drop you, Buy VIP for more of your members and make them show more links or we drop you and last stay allied to 1 dynasty or loose another all to turn the smaller allies into semi feeder dynasties.
Stan you knew this is going on and yet you keep supporting the largest dynasties?
You know I am fully aware of the situation on main and what that means for the site, I mailed you some suggestions a month ago, and I have no problem with showing a link on main if need be, but why should I help when you keep showing I don't count as long as I am not in a large dynasty?
I totally agree with this comment! I've been hearing of decisions made here in the forums by the "Big 5" emperors without any input from smaller dynasties. I was not aware that there was any discussion of the current changes even going on. Could we not have been invited to participate???
My dynasty is small by design. We come, first, from another website, ravelry.com and most of our members are knitters. We don't necessarily WANT more members, but as our allies grow (which is their right) we are forced to drop allies so they can keep growing.
Instead of helping the "big 5" grow bigger, why not help the smaller dynasties grow if they want to?
And all these changes were made in response to CHEATING by some of the Big 5??? Why are those dynasties not targeted for punishment? Are feeder dynasties bad? if they are, the creators should be punished. Period.
Are emperors bullying? yes. IMO, they should be punished by short-term removal from office for a first offense, and all the way up to having their dynasties disbanded.
I'm feeling very small and unimportant and disregarded by the Yarolds leadership.
Koshka
Kampaku
Ravelry Dragon Knitters
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Yarold wrote:
Are you sure that you are not using this as cover that you want hard working dynasties be last ones, and those with 1-2 members as first ?
I don't think anyone works harder for their dynasty than Jeanne. The priorities you have set mean hard working=best cheaters.
So the solo contest dont exist, and i ignore those in smaller dynasties ?
Are you sure that you are not using this as cover that you want hard working dynasties be last ones, and those with 1-2 members as first ?
The solo contests exist but I am part of a team.
As for your last remark .... What would be wrong with a 2 man dynasty at the top? At least they wouldn't be able to pressure or bully anybody - the way you say that tells how you feel about a 2 man dynasty.
I send you a suggestion for a new ranking system where most would have a chance to work for getting top position and I say most cause it was made to prevent a situation where a 2 or 4 man dynasty could sail to the top with no effort like we saw in October last year.
As for hard working dynasties: Do you think members in small dynasties work less than members of large dynasties do?
Are you sure that you are not using this as cover that you want hard working dynasties be last ones, and those with 1-2 members as first ?
I'm quite sure. I want all hard working dynasties to be able to reach the top regardless of size.
The people in my dynasty are good people, not just a number, and deserve to be treated just as well as any member in a larger dynasty. I'm going to fight for a fairer system for them, and I'm not going to ask them to show more links/click more when they are at a disadvantage and they will never be recognised for their hard work.
The people in my dynasty are good people, not just a number, and deserve to be treated just as well as any member in a larger dynasty. I'm going to fight for a fairer system for them, and I'm not going to ask them to show more links/click more when they are at a disadvantage and they will never be recognised for their hard work.
Very much this!
Additionally, we attained our goal of a high member average by working hard, not by creating faux dynasties or fake links. We worked for it.
Now, small dynasties have that advantage removed to make the Big 6 happy?
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:45 am
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I totally agree with this comment! I've been hearing of decisions made here in the forums by the "Big 5" emperors without any input from smaller dynasties. I was not aware that there was any discussion of the current changes even going on. Could we not have been invited to participate???
Objection, 'Dynasty discusion' forum is for every dynasty, thus no invitation were given to anyone. Discussion that took place had no results anyway.
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My dynasty is small by design. We come, first, from another website, ravelry.com and most of our members are knitters. We don't necessarily WANT more members, but as our allies grow (which is their right) we are forced to drop allies so they can keep growing.
There is no rule to be big dynasty. You are not forced to drop allies also.
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Instead of helping the "big 5" grow bigger, why not help the smaller dynasties grow if they want to?
You are skipping reading of my replies, i shall do the same with yours.
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And all these changes were made in response to CHEATING by some of the Big 5??? Why are those dynasties not targeted for punishment? Are feeder dynasties bad? if they are, the creators should be punished. Period.
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I'm feeling very small and unimportant and disregarded by the Yarolds leadership.
I feel that no one is interested until any changes happen.
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Are you sure that you are not using this as cover that you want hard working dynasties be last ones, and those with 1-2 members as first ?
I don't think anyone works harder for their dynasty than Jeanne.
Jeanne is a person not a dynasty, and should be looked at "member list" not "dynasty list". Shes doing very good only her dynasty cant keep up.
I can even make a contest if that helps.
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The priorities you have set mean hard working=best cheaters.
Anyway your now a liar untill you prove that they are cheating, and if you have read dynasty discussion you 'd have know that its not easy.
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What would be wrong with a 2 man dynasty at the top?
Theres nothing wrong in it if they do better than other dynasties.
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I send you a suggestion for a new ranking system where most would have a chance to work for getting top position and I say most cause it was made to prevent a situation where a 2 or 4 man dynasty could sail to the top with no effort like we saw in October last year.
Im sorry but i have to ask for it again if you say it was that good.
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As for hard working dynasties: Do you think members in small dynasties work less than members of large dynasties do?
no, they work harder
work W: do 20 000 clicks
dynasty A ( 10x members with average 1000 clicks a day = total 10000/day)
dynasty B ( 2x members with average 2000 clicks a day = total 4000/day)
dynasty A will do work W in 2 days, dynasty B in 5 days.
so dynasty A works harder and is ranked #1.
However individual members from dynasty B work harder than those from A, so members from dynasty B takes 1st and 2nd place on memberlist.
Is this not fair ?
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Additionally, we attained our goal of a high member average by working hard, not by creating faux dynasties or fake links
you can show them now on 'main'
Anyone else see that this disscussion is not going anywhere? Maybe again changing limits?
I think everyone forgot what we came to yarold's for, getting a ref link clicked to get people to do you need to click others thus the credit system
if I can get my 25 clicks I'm happy,
when I first came here I never had to show on main and I could get my clicks from history or from dynasty where follow ups are more common in those days (IIRC)
I then took a break from my game (and by extension yarold)
when I came back limits where implemented and I got invited into a dynasty, I had to set my limit to 75 to get all the (action) clicks I needed per day and not waste credits, this meant I got kicked out of dynasties since I couldn't show 24/7
going without dynasty (stop the spam doesn't count) and clicking at least 75 per day was hard the last weeks before the change and I stayed short around 20 credits a day
now I can set the limit to 75 and get 100+ clicks in before it runs out, keeping my balance up and a on my face
So the solo contest dont exist, and i ignore those in smaller dynasties ?
You have also made the dynasty contest so that no smaller dynasty can win. So either you are ignoring them or deliberately excluding them...?
Why not choose an emperor of one of the larger dynasties and just give them the credits or call it 'Big 6 Dynasty Contest' instead of making it seem like something all dynasties can win?
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:09 am
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Why not choose an emperor of one of the larger dynasties and just give them the credits or call it 'Big 6 Dynasty Contest' instead of making it seem like something all dynasties can win?
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