Its true that this update favour big dynasties, its meant to attract dynasties to more people.
Its not true that buying credits is required. Its only required when one wants to have thousands of credits. Having 10 links will give nothing without enough clicking.
Atm im less optimistic, as some dynasties returned to 'remember to hide your links on main'.
It doesn't attract more people to dynasties it tells all the people who are not in the top 5 dynasties that they doesn't matter - they can't take part in your contests or hope to see themselves on any Top list.
Before this update you could see in smaller dynasties Sn's: Yay we are #4 in dyn ave - all wants to be able to achieve something on the level they are - now they can't.
Many does not want to be in a large dynasty - first of all because of the cut-throat competition in the top is disgusting and second a lot likes to know their team mates and that is more possible in a small dynasty.
Atm there are 322 members in the largest 6 dynasties and 412 in the rest so the updates favours the minority ????
Some people will be against this and will use links to games that require greather delay to avoid that.
Yes, Yerhotels and such. But it is simple - either lower the time limit or raise the cost of one click on such a link - you know, when you raised YH to 40 cr, the dozens of YH being set on Main disappeared - why? Yes, it will punish the "real" hoteliers, but what else to do?
Joined: 09 Jun 2008 Posts: 241 Location: North Carolina, USA
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:08 am
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how taking the LOWER of clicks done or received is a good thing.
I have now 8 links that I share but with so many unclickable members on the dynasty page, most not showing as many links as I do, or just plain not being able to be online all day clicking, I have always been clicked at least 200-300 times more than I could click back. So, it's not bad enough that I lose the credits, but now with excluding the clicks received in the mix, I & my entire dynasty are penalized because I didn't click back what I'd been clicked? That just doesn't feel right. It definitely isn't fun. We dropped by nearly 2000 from the day before. Granted all are effected in the same way, but it doesn't feel like progress.
It actually makes me feel like we're being forced to be mediocre--no incentive to do our best, push ourselves to excell. Only do back the clicks done to you. And, as always, size does matter--bigger dynasties will have the advantage of more members counted together in total--they will ALWAYS be on top. So, we're back to where I came in a year ago--top however many squeeze out the little ones because there's no way to compete. At least before we could have a little fun trying for higher personal averages even if our total clicks couldn't compare with the "big guys", we could feel like something if we worked hard. Now, pffft, this makes it hard to want to stay here and lose out on all the great people here.
Age: 38 Joined: 21 Jan 2009 Posts: 53 Location: Arizona, USA
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:27 am
I think the idea is if you show outside of a dynasty you will have more received clicks, which makes you want to try and click as many back (both for credits and to keep your clicked/done number from being low)
simply, it's another way to encourage link showing outside of dynasties
Joined: 09 Jun 2008 Posts: 241 Location: North Carolina, USA
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:34 am
Don't know about anyone else, but regardless of where I have a link showing, I'm looking to click all I can. The problem is finding the links. You show more hoping that someone else will also show more since they see some to click, but alas this is mostly not the case.
Happy Hours were a good idea--at least you knew when you might be likely to see some links. Bad part is that, many weren't able to attend at those times, so you end up showing your links even more often when you see people on & showing links--that means losing more credits usually. Now some want Happy Days--that really won't work under these new changes--you'll really get clicked on those days & most likely won't get to click back enough--numbers plummet only to be sky high the next day you only click & don't show.
Sorry, I have no suggestions that might make it better--my mind is blown. But when I recover, I'll see.
Edit--I have no problem showing a link on main--I use my same 24/7 dynasty link, not a new link--I get clicked in dynasty which means that the same link isn't visible to anyone who clicked me in dynasty, so the only new clicks I'm gettng on it are the non-dynasty people I'm clicking myself. It's only one link so it hasn't made a huge dent in credits, so I have to say it's working for me.
Joined: 09 Jun 2008 Posts: 241 Location: North Carolina, USA
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:55 am
And that is the rub in all this---the motivation to click more is there, but the links aren't.
I'll use my last activity to illustrate :
Quote:
09-09-09 1179 main rec 925 main done 842 dyn rec 644 dyn done
Believe me if the links were there, I would've clicked them--even LaBrute links which are a real pain if you use flash block. I have been trying to achieve neutral credit flow and it just isn't happening.
Helped: 9 times Age: 53 Joined: 13 Jan 2006 Posts: 1541 Location: Australia
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:02 am
Xazy wrote:
If you show in main, more people will click you
Which gives you a reason to click more
As you would have read in this & other threads, for a lot of people the only numbers that count are the dynasty numbers. Tell me how this "I think the idea is if you show outside of a dynasty" helps that?
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Age: 38 Joined: 21 Jan 2009 Posts: 53 Location: Arizona, USA
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:14 am
More people post link in main -> you can have more credits -> you can show more in dynasty -> everyone shows more in dynasty -> you can click more in dynasty
it is a system which only works when everyone cooperates.
And that is the rub in all this---the motivation to click more is there, but the links aren't.
When people see that they click 800 links but their contribution to their dynasty is half that I don't know how long the motivation to click will last... I'm only showing one link from now on. No point in me showing 10 any more.
Age: 55 Joined: 11 Aug 2008 Posts: 48 Location: North of Sweden
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:50 am
So now what?
MinYday counts. Does that mean that if I'm off for one day or more, I'll have to remove my links?
As I see it I get clicked 1003 and click 0 => MinYday=0. Leaving them on doesn't do anything (positive or negative) for my average so I'll lose a lot of credits for nothing, or am I missing something here?
I'm so confused.
Btw after looking at received and done I can clearly see that is my "done today" that is on min so there goes my link in main....
it is a system which only works when everyone cooperates.
Really? is that where we have all been going wrong the last 4 odd years?
Co-operate all you in my alliance! when you do I may just try this page called main
LOL Jay - head on the nail
There's no incentive to cooperate with a system that supports bullying, terrorism and blackmailing of smaller dynasties.
This is what I have dealt with as Emp of a smaller dynasty: Make your members show more links or we drop you, Buy VIP for more of your members and make them show more links or we drop you and last stay allied to 1 dynasty or loose another all to turn the smaller allies into semi feeder dynasties.
Stan you knew this is going on and yet you keep supporting the largest dynasties?
You know I am fully aware of the situation on main and what that means for the site, I mailed you some suggestions a month ago, and I have no problem with showing a link on main if need be, but why should I help when you keep showing I don't count as long as I am not in a large dynasty?
Helped: 2 times Age: 49 Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 407
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:34 pm
norrbotten wrote:
MinYday counts. Does that mean that if I'm off for one day or more, I'll have to remove my links?
As I see it I get clicked 1003 and click 0 => MinYday=0. Leaving them on doesn't do anything (positive or negative) for my average so I'll lose a lot of credits for nothing, or am I missing something here?
Hi!
Yes, thats true and I have to admit, that I did not think about that case (On the other hand it was not any difference when Avg/day was counting because there also was only counting the done clicks and nothing else. Did you remove your link then? So actually no change there to the old system). -> Its true that then counts the 0.
But dont forget, that still the Average for "clicked links" and "received clicks" counts.
So as an example:
I am nearly never online on weekends:
What can I do?
1.) I can let my link in Dynasty (+History + Main) if I want over the weekend so I still get my clicks
2.) The Average of "clicked links" goes down and the average of "received clicks" stays where it was.
3.) From monday on I can clcik again to higher my "clicked links" but dont need to try to get that many "received clicks" - so I can lower that one a bit to make it more equal.
But agreed, its getting more and more complicated now .....
Some people will be against this and will use links to games that require greather delay to avoid that.
So, isn't there a way to have a limit set to those games?
Like, a script that only allows, for example: 5 or 10 yer hotel links at the time on a page ?
Age: 52 Joined: 03 Jan 2009 Posts: 57 Location: Nice, France
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:33 pm
I don't know exactly where the problem comes from, but the following stats are not coherent:
- the MinAvg value displayed on the Dynasty page (14362 for RMV today)
- the MinAvg value displayed on the Dynasty Activity tab (12388 for RMV today)
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Yes, it will punish the "real" hoteliers, but what else to do?
But when I recover, I'll see.
