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eirien 
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:20 am   

Yarold wrote:
Im thinking of changing current sum of clicks done and clicks received to minimum from them.


Can you explain what you mean by this? I'm not sure I understand...

I buy credits, made no secret of it, it's how I can supply my allies with extra links (like the 10 links I showed ALL day today) and spread my links over the various games I play. I like being able to do this, however I do have a real life and work and study and have friends I like to spend time with so I can't be here clicking all day every day to make up the extra clicks.
 
     
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:34 am   

I believe what Stan means is if there's a difference between clicks done and received it's the lowest number that counts so no one ill benefit from clicking more than they receive or vice versa - this again will favor those with extra links - the 1 link member can only get clicked once by every member in Yarolds so no matter how good a clicker he/she is will only get average for the clicks received.

More unfairness.
 
     
eirien 
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:46 am   

Hmmm... well I do think it's a good idea to get some recognition for showing extra links, but also for clicking.

I don't know why anyone here needs to be advantaged or disadvantaged. It seems a fairly simple calculation to make things fair for everyone regardless of the size of their dynasty imho.
 
     
bluebell_rose 
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:23 am   

Jeanne wrote:
I believe what Stan means is if there's a difference between clicks done and received it's the lowest number that counts so no one ill benefit from clicking more than they receive or vice versa - this again will favor those with extra links - the 1 link member can only get clicked once by every member in Yarolds so no matter how good a clicker he/she is will only get average for the clicks received.

More unfairness.
mhmm, people who can afford to buy credits or can afford to show extras once again gets the upper hand.
 
     
Jeanne 
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:58 am   

I am missing the "clicks done yesterday" :cry:

I have always used it for my contests and now all of them had to be canceled because we can't tell who was top-clicker yesterday cause the numbers are accumulated.

I also used that number from the profile when judging if a joiner would fit in our team.

Would it be possible to get it back?
 
     
City of MT 
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:21 am   

We have the clicks done yesterday. Click on some guy's profile in your dynasty and click on activity and it just happens to magically appear many days of dynasty clicks.
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Roman 
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:30 pm   Re: where we are / update continued

Pfff..... 2,5 weeks of holidays and when I come back there is a huge update. When I rememebr correctly, the last big update also was during my absence. Stan, do you always wait for my hollidays? :wink:

Anyways, there are already so many threads about the new update in different subforums that I dont know where to put that posting. Well, I decided to go along here since it only has 2 pages and not 7 or more :razz:

After reading and thinking about all the updates and reading all different postings from everyone in all the different threads I think, that I understand all - or maybe only 50% or even nothing :razz: . Anyways so far so good.

Its definately better then it was before.

Most of you are in Dynasties. I dont go with my Dynasty for a longer time now and always run around in Main. It was really quiet there. Like Stan wrote: new members came, clicked EVERYTHING there, went in huge -20 credits just within a few minutes and left without coming back.....

All in all its a good idea, that the clicks done and clicks gotten back - both count - a great idea!

Many wrote, that they want it back to the Top clickers. But thinnk about folliwing: There are ONLY top lcickers but NO people who actually show the links. How can you get a top clicker when there are no links to click? So yes, its a perfect idea to put the top clickers and top link showers to the same level. The only problem - already in discussion in a different thread - are the feeding Dynasties (I share Stan, that the feeding dynasties must be stopped somehow) and the problem with buying and transferring credits. But one step after the other.

Stan, that update - as far as I understand it - are some steps forward. Lets see if we can do some more!
 
     
dragonspiritdp 
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:02 pm   

Jeanne wrote:
I still think that the 1st link you have should be shown in history as well as dynasty/main like for non VIPs - that way anyone you click can get their click back through history - it shouldn't be optional but only be on the first slot and that would be fair to those who are not in Dynasties.


I second that. Due to recent update I was finally able to show some links on the Main. I set my link limit to 100, after that pet I was leveling was at level 108. I checked it just now: thanks to history my pet is now at level 242, that means it got 150% more clicks than limit set. On the other hand, many people showing links on Main are VIPs , therefore with about 500 links clicked, I got only about 100 of them in history.
 
     
bluebell_rose 
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:05 pm   

Argh, can we go back to deleting links only at reset? With the ability to delete links before reset, people can click my link and then delete their link, rendering others from being able to click their link back. Totally not fair. Why is this unfairness here? I won't show in main much thanks to the abiltiy of being able to delete links before reset
 
     
dragonspiritdp 
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:46 pm   

bluebell_rose wrote:
Argh, can we go back to deleting links only at reset? With the ability to delete links before reset, people can click my link and then delete their link, rendering others from being able to click their link back. Totally not fair. Why is this unfairness here? I won't show in main much thanks to the abiltiy of being able to delete links before reset

Actually, I like being able to change my link instantly when it reach the limit. Also, people can click your links without even having any link set, so I don't think anyone's doing that on purpose.
 
     
Wolverines
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:21 pm   

i agree change link instantly is better than before.......you might find a game but have to wait 20 hours to post a link for it...not good....this way is better :)
 
     
Jeanne 
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:50 pm   

City of MT wrote:
We have the clicks done yesterday. Click on some guy's profile in your dynasty and click on activity and it just happens to magically appear many days of dynasty clicks.



Whoa - thank you :lol: but I would still like to have it on the dynasty page, it's a lot of extra work to check all members profiles to find the winner.
 
     
Zidane 
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:55 pm   

City of MT wrote:
We have the clicks done yesterday. Click on some guy's profile in your dynasty and click on activity and it just happens to magically appear many days of dynasty clicks.


But I think it is bugged or something like that. The Activity number tells me I did 732 dyn clicks today, but when I look at my profile in Sumup and/or at the numbers in Dynasty exchange, it tells me I did 504...why the 732? Does the Activity number adds TODAY´s links ignoring reset - times 00:00-24:00 or why there is more than 200 links more than in Sumup?
 
     
Jeanne 
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:15 am   

CZ-Zidane wrote:
City of MT wrote:
We have the clicks done yesterday. Click on some guy's profile in your dynasty and click on activity and it just happens to magically appear many days of dynasty clicks.


But I think it is bugged or something like that. The Activity number tells me I did 732 dyn clicks today, but when I look at my profile in Sumup and/or at the numbers in Dynasty exchange, it tells me I did 504...why the 732? Does the Activity number adds TODAY´s links ignoring reset - times 00:00-24:00 or why there is more than 200 links more than in Sumup?


The activity shows up to yesterday though the date say today it is up til reset - after this reset it will show the 8th as yesterday even though there are many hours left of the 8th (for me in my timezone and Yarolds).
 
     
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:46 am   

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I believe what Stan means is if there's a difference between clicks done and received it's the lowest number that counts so no one will benefit from clicking more than they receive or vice versa


Correct. Therefore to get a high score/rank members and dynasties would be:

- encouraged to be clicked as much as they click (and discouraged to build up credits)

- encouraged to click as much as they are clicked (and not encouraged to buy credits to be clicked a lot and get a high SumAvg)


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this again will favor those with extra links - the 1 link member can only get clicked once by every member in Yarolds so no matter how good a clicker he/she is will only get average for the clicks received.

More unfairness.


You are just accumulating useless credits if you click more than you can be clicked. What you can really exchange with the others is exactly the Minimum(ClicksDone;ClicksReceived).

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mhmm, people who can afford to buy credits or can afford to show extras once again gets the upper hand.


No. If you buy credits and/or show extras, you will still need to click as much or you will get no advantage of the many clicks received.
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Jeanne 
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:24 am   

Bruno73 wrote:

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this again will favor those with extra links - the 1 link member can only get clicked once by every member in Yarolds so no matter how good a clicker he/she is will only get average for the clicks received.

More unfairness.


You are just accumulating useless credits if you click more than you can be clicked. What you can really exchange with the others is exactly the Minimum(ClicksDone;ClicksReceived).

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mhmm, people who can afford to buy credits or can afford to show extras once again gets the upper hand.


No. If you buy credits and/or show extras, you will still need to click as much or you will get no advantage of the many clicks received.


No matter how you look at it and how even the clicks done/received are the ones who has extra links still get the highest score and this will encourage to buying credits to show more links.
 
     
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:42 am   

Jeanne wrote:
No matter how you look at it and how even the clicks done/received are the ones who has extra links still get the highest score and this will encourage to buying credits to show more links.


Yes, but it would not help if "click here " counts.
 
     
Grummelbaer 
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:53 pm   

The activity has got a litle count mistake. The first column is one day faster than reality. So the dynasty clicks done today could even not fit to profile dynasty clicks done today.
I'm sure the dynasty clicks done yesterday in profile show some important information but the clicks done today column in activity shows the real clicks of everyday.

sorry very bad englisch but i didn't know how to make it understand able...
 
     
Jeanne 
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:26 pm   

Roman wrote:
Jeanne wrote:
No matter how you look at it and how even the clicks done/received are the ones who has extra links still get the highest score and this will encourage to buying credits to show more links.


Yes, but it would not help if "click here " counts.



Yes it would - if you have 1 link it can only get X amount of clicks so you will only click that amount since clicking more doesn't count (or you click more and build up your credits) and that number is your contribution to your dynasties score. The more links you have, the more you can click and the higher you can score and help your dynasty rise in ranking.

The new system we have now and what is being suggested as change will both mean the dynasty with most members and most of these members VIPs will win - so how many will be bought VIPs with bought credits to start of showing all links from day 1?
 
     
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:52 am   

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The new system we have now and what is being suggested as change will both mean the dynasty with most members and most of these members VIPs will win - so how many will be bought VIPs with bought credits to start of showing all links from day 1?


Its true that this update favour big dynasties, its meant to attract dynasties to more people.
Its not true that buying credits is required. Its only required when one wants to have thousands of credits. Having 10 links will give nothing without enough clicking.

I 'd like also to point that lotto gains credits from everyone (that's those with lots of credits and those with only little number of them), while giving only for those with no of few credits.

Atm im less optimistic, as some dynasties returned to 'remember to hide your links on main'.
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