Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:07 am Admins who are also emp's or dynasty leaders
Is there anyone else on this site that perceives a possible problem with site admins also running dynasties?
I see and hear of possible persuasion of other emp's by certain admin/dynasty muckity-mucks that use the site position to influence others into doing what they want.
This is NOT exactly conducive to a level playing field.
Does this bother ANYONE else?
I see no reason to name any names since everyone knows who does this.
And since I haven't named names, the only person that could possibly get all bent out of shape is probably the perpetrator/perpetators.
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:32 am Re: Admins who are also emp's or dynasty leaders
Hi Jeff!
Well, of course I can understand what you mean and I also dont know if beeing Admin/Moderator and Emp of a Dynasty - especially in the Top ranks - is that good, but if you talk about diassalowing Admins to be Emp of a Dynasty you also would need to do that for Moderators, like I am.
And if I come back in a few month - when the stress at work gets lower - I again want to be Emp of my little small Dynasty. Without that I would definately not come back again.
But to say the truth I also dont know how to solve the problemn oyu are talking about .....
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:37 am
Jeff wrote:
Is there anyone else on this site that perceives a possible problem with site admins also running dynasties?
i always thought i'm the only one who see this as a problem. i was very surprised when i joined this site about the fact that admins also participate in the competition here....for me it's a typical example of "a conflict of interests". it's like the referees having their own team in a football league they judge.......
as emps they must work for their dynasties, that's clear... but since they are admins at the same time, all actions they do to help own dynasty are automatically suspicious, regardless of the real reasons they had for it. even if you have the nicest, the most honest and the most rightful person in the world on this position, the doubts will last...and since there is probably not the best person in the world here, the doubts are logically propagationately bigger....
in my opinion, this state is not good for transparency and trustworthiness of admins' decisions, for a legal certainty of the members and, not in the last row, also for admins... as they are still under the suspicion of abusing their power in favor of own dynasties.
of course, i understand that those ppl came here as common members and they were active, more active and then became mods or even admins and they want to play as they did it before.... and i also understand that will be much harder to find ppl who wants to be admins, if they will not be able to run a dynasty. especially when i have to say that i don't see a big difference between "admin-emp", "admin-kampaku" or i.e. "admin-shogun"...
so yes it can cause a dilemma, but i personally prefer the neutrality of admins...it would prevent many misunderstandings, quarrels and wraths.
Roman wrote:
(...) if you talk about diassalowing Admins to be Emp of a Dynasty you also would need to do that for Moderators, like I am.
yes it would be better, but there is a small difference.... when moderator, even the global one , abuses his power, you can still appeal to admins as to a "higher instance". when admin abuses his power, you can appeal maybe to the train-station so if there would be neutral admins, the mods could be tolerated, because the members will then trust to fair higher instance....
yes it would be better, but there is a small difference.... when moderator, even the global one , abuses his power, you can still appeal to admins as to a "higher instance". when admin abuses his power, you can appeal maybe to the train-station so if there would be neutral admins, the mods could be tolerated, because the members will then trust to fair higher instance....
Then you go to Yarold himself, he is the overover mega super duper Admin :p
why should admins and moderators have less rigths then any normal member abd nbot be allowed to be emperor? you might as well then tell them to not be in any dynasty as a member at all.
i am against a rule saying site admins and moderators can not lead a dynasty.
i see no problem with an site admin also being an emperor. in the end we all are just people behind a computer.
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:04 am
Any & all actions done by all members (Including the mods & admins) can & is seen by Yarold. If any action done by the admins (as this is the people the thread is aimed at) was to do anything that is outside the rules or generally not considered to be appropriate, Yarold will talk to the admins concerned & if still deemed not to be right he will do something about it. The power an admin has doesnt change whether they are an Emp, kampaku, shogun or peasant, so the thought of not allowing an admin to be an Emp is pointless, as they can still do everything an EMP can.
So, if you dont like a decision an ADMIN has made, I suggest you take the matter up with Yarold himself.
To answer the very first post, its called politics & EVERY dynasty plays the political game. Recently there were threats made to a dynasty not to grow or be dumped, show more links or be dumped, or even the most common one thats even in some short notes, fix the negs or be dumped (yes im taking alliances here not members too). On the positive side of that argument, you have a dynasty that pays its allies for not having negs etc. All EMPS, including yours Jeff, lean on their allies to help them make goals, milestones, pass other dynasties etc
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:08 pm
borracho wrote:
I voted
I don't see a problem with an admin being an emperor.
this is just sour grapes because of the alliance shake up.......plain and simple
I think this has nothing to do with alliances, but I can not talk for Jeff.
Alliance must change from time to time, that is why stan made the max 400, he wanted circulation in the allies and dynastys, and that is what constant happened.
Very good ! and works perfect.
I had no shake up with my dynasty, so that didn't influence my vote. People that have been around here long enough and have dealt with it know exactly what is going on. Will Stan wake up to it? Probably not. He's very wisely not in a dynasty for (I'm guessing) the exact reason Jeff stated. That would be unfair. On the other hand, you have admins like Bella, who are fair and always have been.
Puppetmasters are very good at masking their words to seem innocent. Since I've been back, I've seen hatred. Hatred and spite and manipulation.
Have politics always been a part of this site? Yes. But they used to be fun politics, instead of hatred and meanness. I've seen things said about us that are simply not true, yet because we don't participate in it and defend it, people accept it as fact.
Stan, you lost a lot of people because of this that paid you money. See ya.
WOW!
I see that this post has served it's purpose of getting people to think about it!
Well, mostly they are thinking about it.
First, let me say, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THE ADMINS! LOL!
They do an excellent job of keeping a large and diverse site functional, workable and for the most part enjoyable.
I will only further state that it is a far cry between an emp whose only real "threat" is to drop allies and an emp that can ban you and your members and/or make your dealings difficult with other emps. Has this actually happened? Yes. Is this an "unfair" use of "political" clout? You betcha! Do people fear these sort of reprisals? Yes, of course they do. Should moderators be prohibited from dynasty positions? Probably not, I know of no one fearing" moderation".
When people vote at nearly a 2-1 margin (so far) that it is problem yet many have not left their name. I WOULD THINK THAT IS A CLEAR INDICATION OF FEAR OF RETRIBUTIONS.
I am NOT fearless, just have very little to lose.
ALSO I SHOULD MAKE CLEAR THAT THE VIEWS/OPINIONS I EXPRESS ARE PURELY MY OWN AND ARE NOT THOSE OF ANYONE ELSE...
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yes, but we have no reason to be interested in that
Stan, that's exactly what you're missing. Obviously certain admins would be interested in that, and use this to their advantage. I've complained to you many times in PM's about abuse. You refuse to see it. Just how many complaints would satisfy you, coming from many dynasties?
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, abuses his power, you can still appeal to admins as to a "higher instance". when admin abuses his power, you can appeal maybe to the train-station 
so if there would be neutral admins, the mods could be tolerated, because the members will then trust to fair higher instance....
