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Who do you think is the best and why?

We Stay Positive dynasty is not the best. It never will be the best, but that's not he point of this discussion; it's not my intent to start another thread about competition or why any one dynasty is better than another. Instead, might we not consider the reasons behind joining a dynasty, any dynasty?

500 Clicks Available
If the reasons behind joining a dynasty can be expressed in numbers only the question becomes very simple. But in reality the question, "who is the best", is complicated, not simple. We are allowed a total of 400 allied members within each dynasty. To me, given this restriction, ANY dynasty that has at least one member whose average is 500 or more is "one of the best". The fact that allies show enough links to allow those numbers is a tribute to the skill of the emperors, to their ability to attract and keep the best allies within their group. Average clicks of 500+ also demonstrates dedication of the members of the dynasty. Any dynasty that allows these numbers easily is a rare find indeed.

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Again, it's not just about numbers: Each group has it's own dynamic and the ones who generate a sense of common identity stand out. Respect dynasty comes to mind. For example, the common color theme in the short notes doesn't cost any credits, but it does reflect a group of members who pull together. Many dynasties have various contests that do the same thing. Infinity comes to mind when I look to see "strong and inspiring leadership". Gamers Alliance gives new members the chance they need to become strong competitors. There are dozens of reasons each dynasty can take pride in their fellowships. Click counts and averages are okay, but accept the challenge implied here (please) and look beyond the numbers. What quality or qualities do you appreciate most? It is not my intention to leave anyone out of the list - only to start the discussion.

So, what qualities do you appreciate in the dynasties and their leadership here? I would especially like to see responses that champion the concepts and principles of other dynasties (not yours) but all positive comments are very welcome here.

~Granps

FOOTNOTE:
"We Stay Positive dynasty is not the 'best'.
Don't get me wrong, I am proud of the efforts of each and every member and especially proud of how well we pull together to demonstrate commitment to our group and allies.

Thanks Tsai, curiously yours was one of the Profiles I checked to see if it was just me or what (and you were the only one I saw that out-clicked me that day).

Very much appreciate your answer, thx again!
~Granps

THOUSANDS vs HUNDREDS

The other day I was pleased to find thousands of links available on the main link exchange. Well, actually I had mixed feelings but 3 and 1/2 hours later, when I had exhausted every single link and had gained something like 2,600+ clicks in a single day - well, yes I was pleased.

I was also curious. So, when I looked at the profiles of about a 1/2 dozen others I noticed that

That was last week (maybe 3 days ago?) -- hehehe, it was last year in a manner of thinking - good ol' 2008. But my question comes - because the links are back to "normal" behavior now. I'm clicking as many as possible with the exact same timeframe but have yet to see the volume of links on the Main Exchange.

Can anyone explain why the number of available links on the Main Exchange would change so dramatically?

Cordially,
~Grandpa

I'd like to also add my thanks to Engelina for the work she has done.
Being an emperor is oftentimes a thankless task, most members do not understand the challenges that go on behind the scenes, and it has been my pleasure to watch this dynasty continue to thrive under you, Engelina.

Who can count the number of people you have helped?
Thank you for your kindness and for stepping up when I was in need.
Thank you for your stouthearted support given freely.
And thank you also for the tough decisions, fairly made, that allowed those under you to thrive as well as their Dragons.
You have truly won the title "Dragon Master". :lol:

~Granps

My thanks to whomever moved this topic into the 'Support - Ask here' thread but...

I have a suggestion now.

When we calculate PERSONAL averages it would be better (in my opinion) to express a 10 day trendline using simple averages as the base calculation. From there, one could use an "exponentially weighted moving average", similar to a simple moving average, except that more weight is given to the latest data to calculate the DYNASTY Averages.

Rewriting the code would take a modest amount of work but the benefit would be true (accurate) personal averages and a method to show trends in dynasty averages as well. The dynasty averages would retain sufficient dynamic change to make it fun to compete but all averages would reflect realtime efforts.

The current situation encourages emperors to kick new players (as Tsai pointed out) in order to enhance their numbers.

~Granps

Thanks again, I wasn't clear in my thoughts until I tried to prove it out.

Much appreciated.

I've reviewed a couple of my theories regarding possible algorithms and I'm now thinking that the New_Dyn_Average is calculated as a "derived average" something similar to:

Code:

New_Dyn_Avg = ((Old_Dyn_Avg * 9) + Total_Member_Click_Average_Today) / 10

Using my numbers from the original post for example:
Old_Dyn_Avg = 264
Total_Member_Click_Average_Today = 281

Therefore New_Dyn_Avg = ((264 * 9) + 281) / 10 == (2376 + 281) / 10 == (2657) / 10 == 265.7 rounded up == 266 (the New Dynasty Average).

Still not sure of this but it seems true. I would so much rather use actual averages. It's not that tough.

~Granps

We know that the members personal average is determined by how many clicks they do each day: ((Current Average - 1) * 9) + Todays Clicks)/10 = New Average

I've always thought that the Dynasty Average was based on how many clicks each member did each day - turns out I was wrong.

It seems that the Dynasty Average is based on Personal Averages of the members, not how many clicks that were done during the day.

Today (10/28) the dynasty average for Positive Credit Dynasty started out at 264.
The combined total AVERAGES for each member was 1,887. 1,866 / 7 = 269.
At reset the dynasty average went up 2 points to 266.

We have 7 members who clicked a combined total of 3,088 clicks on 10/28.
3,088 / 7 = 281.

:roll:

Does anybody know the algorithm for calculating the ACTUAL Dynasty Average, please??

~Grandpa

I read your support request - it's similar to another that was posted a month ago.

http://yarold.eu/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4330

What I think they mean is that you guys share your router IP to anybody outside your home network - They can tell that you're not 1 person trying to use two accounts - so they won't ban you - but - the system is set up to keep track of clicks according to your shared router IP address. They won't (can't) fix the problem - so you're going to share the total possible number of clicks - that's the downside. Read the link I gave you above and see if that is what you think it means too - the admins here aren't very good at explaining things (not trying to be critical :oops:

) but I'm pretty sure this is what it means.

I'm trying to think of ways to help - but I know it won't help much. I can't speak for the mods but what I can do is watch the number of credits you have or if either of you ever get low - let me know and I'll transfer credits -- I have more than I need. Another possible "solution" is for one of you to leave our dynasty and join another to reduce the number of "shared" dynasty links you have to choose from. As emp, I don't like that idea but thought I'd mention it.

~Grandpa

(To Metalteo, If my explanation or thoughts are wrong - please correct me and no offense meant when I say things are tough to explain sometimes. We don't expect you to teach about sub-net masks or home networking and appreciate the good job you're doing.

I had that problem awhile ago because I didn't know what a Human Awareness Test was and my habit was to just close them out. What I did to correct the situation took about a week of daily clicking -- and was pretty simple.

Leave your CARE setting in your profile set on, click as many links as you can and eventually you will be able to raise your CARE rating to over 25%. I was discouraged when it first happened to me but it didn't take long to correct.

~Grandpa

Yes, stompi. I believe you understand what I'm talking about:

Leveling the playing field.

With a true average in place and counting by Member clicked, instead of total Links, each person on the forum would have numbers that accurately reflect past performance.
It should be a simple matter for all links that have not been clicked to be made visible.

Loyalty and longevity could also be reflected in other statistics (how long the member has been with Yarold's Exchange, or time spent with a specific dynasty).
Much (if not all) of the manipulation we see would be brought to an end.
The benefit of belonging to a dynasty is reduced cost when ones link is clicked.
How can we then argue that having links invisible or having insufficient credits is a good thing?

To continue the idea there could be a ratio created (IF Member Only clicks were the basis) expressing the number of clicks performed versus the number of clicks received.
It would show not only how productive a clicker you are but also show how often your link was available. Combined ratios are not uncommon in business.

This could result in an eventual redesign of the Dynasty Page.
The game of "King of the Mountain" and "Top Dog" there would take on different aspects, but I doubt that it would end.
Nor do I think that it's necessarily a bad thing, only that so many people come to Yarold's Exchange with the expectation of meeting friends who want to share their links.
They typically join a dynasty and the current situation oftentimes leaves them confused. The number of "Why was I kicked from my dynasty?" questions would go down.

Cordially,
~Granps

Greetings,

One of the problems that I am having is trying to effectively communicate with the members my dynasty. We've recently been given a forum of our own and that helps but not everybody has discovered how to use that function well. I don't want to complain that my members are too lazy to look at it because that is simply not the case. They're new is all.

Granting Emperors the ability to send mail to members as they join would help. I do understand that increasing the option for everybody would result in increased spam but think that Emperors could (should) be trusted to not abuse it.

Cordially yours,
~Grandpa