Yarold - Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:59 am Post subject: ranks if you could have option to change ranks names: 1) would you use it? 2) if yes, to what you 'd change them ? DemonicJ - Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:02 am Yes definately would use them. think along the lines of military, political type terms Commander in Chief General leitenant sarge private. Maybe have the ranks fully user definable (rank names & rank abilities??) PS, yes I would still like an extra rank added 
malbus - Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:56 am Personally I think the samurai ranking names here are rather unique and help lend to the charm of the place. Military ranking is so common among numerous games and for forum ranking based on posts that it gets a little boring in my opinion. An extra rank I think would be good. Ferrari - Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:55 am I like the ranks we have now but it would be nice if every rang has another color. Ferrari Morganza - Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:50 am Temp == peasant Intern == daimyo Staff == new rank Leader == shogun Manager == kampaku CEO == Emperor OK, maybe a bit too serious... even if you think of Dilbert. Hm... how would all the emperors out their feel about being retitles to "Pointy-Haired Boss"? 
MUSHpark - Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:00 am I think it would get really confusing if different people could style the ranks differently for themselves. You'd talk about kampaku and they would have no clue what you're talking about. Individuals can already use scripts (Greasemonkey, etc.) to change the ranks themselves if they care that much. I agree with malbus that the "samurai" names are part of the history and should be kept, but perhaps we might add more ranks. As long as you're digging through suggestion board, here are a few longstanding requests on the subject of ranks: - allow emps to assign priveleges (accepting/promoting/clicking) to ranks or to individuals regardless of rank - add another rank. With the change to make peasants not count to clicks, and with all the power given to shoguns (and trust required), it's hard to do much to separate the "better" daimyos from the rest. Potential ideas are tandai (above shogun, granted specific priveleges) shugo (below shogun, above daimyo) and taiko (honorary rank given to ex-emps or ex-kampakus, functionally equivalent to shogun) DemonicJ - Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:07 am
Thats one mighty fine suggestion MUSHpark! Stay with the history, but have more ranks! Tsai - Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:41 pm I completely agree with MUSHpark. - Don't give freedom to the names, as they are part of the Yarold identity and would get confusing if every dynasty would use different names - Allow emps to determine the privileges for each rank - Add another rank or two. Alba - Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:21 pm
I like this idea
Morganza - Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:18 pm In order to keep some semblance of order, for each rank, there would be: Zero or more automatic privs Zero or more unavailable privs Zero or more optional privs that can be turned on or off by very high people with the "adjust privs" priv. For example, imagine a dynasty that has a policy of setting everyone with a certain number of clicks on the day to a rank that does or does not count in the stats just before reset. The high ranks might want to allow some, but not all, people of a certain rank to promote/demote , without changing what external people see as those members' importance in the dynasty. It also lets leadership reward people with a partial promotion to say "keep up the good work." angil - Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:54 am I really like Mushpark's idea. I feel there are some clickers that are way above and beyond others in their groups and they should be noticed. I might be easier for the Emp to assign different authorities to different ranks so others feel more involved. Roman - Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:54 am
100& fully agreed with all 3 points!!! Yarold - Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:04 pm thanks, will do theSpecial1 - Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:40 am Sounds perfect. I had never properly checked out the forums before and I find the ideas and questions I had been thinking for days are also being thought and discussed by others here! who knew?! I had also thought at least 1 new ranking should be implemented and more options for emperors to delegate duties. The japanese ranking system is very original and should def. be kept as is. smurfettedoesnotshare - Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:43 am This sounds like an amazing idea that will help iron out a few wrinkles. I agree that the Japanese Dynasty ranks should be kept exactly like they are. TimeKung - Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:09 pm
i agree with Morganza 
iFly - Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:29 am I like the ranks as they are now, but I'd like to see another rank in between kampaku and shogun. Like MUSHpark's idea. heini - Fri May 08, 2009 3:30 pm also totally agree to mushpark and the majority. in fact if we had other ranktitles, the sites name samurai war link exchange would also make less sense... with common ranks it would be a common war link exchange 
also the point of confusion is right, if im talking about kampaku its cool just to say kampaku and not: kampaku, general, boss, consigliere, racing car, dinosaur, whatever...
*DLMulsow* - Tue May 12, 2009 11:15 pm I like the rank order offered now, but I think abilities and privileges might be rearranged. Also, I think there should be a way for the dynasty to be able to vote together to remove an inactive Emperor so that the dynasty isn't lost because of hierarchy failure. dripquill - Thu May 14, 2009 2:43 pm I do like the idea of colors...they just add a little something different to the dynasty page. And yes, I am voting for Mush's ideas too! Tuleria - Thu May 14, 2009 10:10 pm I think that the idea MUSHpark has come with, is very good. And.. Not give freedom to the names. But maybe we could add a rank below kampaku and above shogun, where it only can be 2 or 3 members? DaBabes City - Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:50 am
Shame, shame on me for having ignored this thread for so long! Our Shogun MUSHpark brought it to my attention. but only after I queried our senior advisers of NETFREAKS! about the need for a rank for them above Shogun. "Shogun" is seen as a respected term for a warrior and leader, sworn only to their Emperor and Dynasty. I would like to propose the term "Sensei." The term "Sensei" is used in most Oriental arts, in one form or another, be they Japanese or Chinese. A Sensei will usually be a master at Martial Arts, and also a respected scholar, adviser, and teacher. [ Added: Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:14 pm ]
I have several members on my Team, each of whom is fully capable of being a fine Emperor, but there can only be one Emperor and Kampaku, the Kampaku being the heir to the Dynasty. None of these Shoguns lacks motivation, all are fine leaders, advisers, and mentors. I do so wish I could give them the rank of Sensei, a step above Shogun as a promotion they all richly deserve. Yarold - Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:30 am A proper name for rank is needed and not sensei Wolverines - Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:58 am i think there is enough ranks now why you need more? first people need to be promoted above shogun then oh we should get another position so i can promote people again and again and again and again and again and again.. Xazy - Sat Oct 03, 2009 3:20 am Maybe just "Samurai" could be used (between or below daimyo and shogun). dimidola - Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:19 am Samurai!!!! good one!! I' d like that! Ferrari - Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:37 pm I see we have a new rank now'' samurai'' we have now peasant samurai daimyo shogun kampaku emperor The new rank is between peasant and daimyo. But at that place we did not need a new rank. we need the new rank between shogun and kampaku, so that the emp has a right and a left hand. Jeanne - Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:51 pm Yes with the rank in the lower part of the dyn you'd have to start demoting members to get the right picture? Why put it there when all talk has been about giving a new rank to the Top Shoguns? Edit: I have read up on the subject a bit and I understand now: The title Samurai is below the daimyo in rank so it's understandable to place it where you did Stan. I suggest the Title Taikun as above Shogun. It means "Great Lord" or Supreme Commander it was used as a title to designate the Shogun in relations with Foreign countries. The word/title is later used in a modified form in the English language as Tycoon = A wealthy business manager. MainCore - Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: Samurai At RMV we like the new samurai rank quite a lot. It provides us with the opportunity to re-sort our members according to the Minimum Average that is now the most important stat. Besides I always thought that the daimyo rank was underestimated because of its closeness to peasant. In fact daimyo was a very important title in feudal Japan (check here). In short: well done !!! jassej - Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:40 pm
Agree Yarold - Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:33 pm
Thats what shogun rank is for, you can have as many hands as you want. This is why shogun have same permissions as kampaku rank. To be left/right/middle hand of emperor. It can do everything setting allies, setting dynasty things. 
A suggestion of Taikun I check wiki and some of my books and i dont understand why ? It was some sort of foreign minister, so it 'd have permissions to ally settings only. Im sorry but for me it looks like you want me to cripple shogun rank because you have problems with demoting members. Xazy - Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:25 am I think it makes more sense. Many Dynasties have many Shogun, who have the ability to make and break alliances, change settings etc... but are forbidden from doing so. Restricting this rank only to users that the emperor actually wants to do these things makes the rank more meaningful. And of course, if you're an emperor who disagrees with that, you can give the rank any meaning you want... it's still the emperor's choice of when you get promoted (by dynasty rules). Ella - Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:26 am
That is why the request came to make a (rank)name for shoguns who are allowed to do these actions. I understand and liked that idea too.
Maybe adding something to the -left/middle (lol) /right- hand Shoguns? Just lLike the members who have a blue star when they are VIP. Jeanne - Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:41 am Shoguns do not have the same abilities as kampakus - they can't pro/demote Shoguns
Yes I have a problem demoting members who haven't done anything to deserve a demotion and I don't believe I am the only one with that problem. The wish for a rank between Emp and Shogun is an old wish, when you made the Kampaku rank questions was made to why there could only be 1 - so the wish is still there: Either to have more than 1 Kampaku (which I don't think is the best idea) or give us a rank to give to those shoguns who help out in running the dynasty and as Ella said - it could just add a Top- to the Shogun title. As for the definition of Taikun ... I don't think anyone here would object if a Taikun also had the authority to de/promote Shoguns .... even if that wasn't the case in ancient Japan. MainCore - Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:30 pm Post subject: Additional ranks (for the future) I agree with Stan about the idea that SHOGUN should be considered a very high ranked member, almost like a left hand for the EMPEROR. The problem is that the limited ranks available in the original game format have produced lots of SHOGUNS in all dynasties. Please consider the opposite viewpoint: add lower ranks and leave the SHOGUN status for those truly important members of the dynasty. I suggest the following ranks below the SAMURAI but above PEASANTS. GASHIRA - Literally, "head." The GASHIRA were battlefield leaders of small units of troops; there would be a GASHIRA at the head of each spear or bow company, for example. The most direct comparison would be to a modern army sergeant. ASHIGARU - Literally, "light foot". They were the rank and file of samurai armies; issued standard arms and under the command of a superior most of the time. As the backbone of feudal clan armies, they were always the most numerous, without ASHIGARU, there is no army. CHUGEN - Literally, the "in-between." The initial rank of new members in the army. They are junior members of the military units whose responsibilities are little to none other than the important task of paying attention to experienced members and learning the ropes. After they have procured their own garb, built their own supply of weapons, and attended several realm battles, CHUGEN are no longer trainees and are promoted to ASHIGARU. Regards, MainCore RMV Emperor Ferrari - Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:03 pm Yess we have a lot of shoguns, and they earn that title!! what do you think what happen if i degrade my shoguns to a new rank? we just want 1 new rank above the shogun, like jeanne also said, than we can make a right and left hand. when the emp and kampaku not are available, people know where they can ask help. now we see when emp ad kampaku not are available, members are waiting till we are back. I think that left hand Rank is very good. misunkyno - Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:56 pm i say we keep the shoguns who are shoguns but will not promote more to the shogun rank. newcomers will be sorted in the peasans-samurai and as an honor they can get daimyos. i dont mind demoting sb if theyre absent or not doing their job. or we can just demot all from shogun and after a while give a few a higher rank? in my dynasty of 16 (and soon even less cause of many neg) its not sucha problem but i get that in 60 ppl dynasty you have more shoguns etc.. hippie - Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:35 am I also believe there should be a rank above Shogun and agree that demoting shoguns to the new ranks would just serve to upset a lot of people. |
