Jeff - Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:07 am Post subject: Admins who are also emp's or dynasty leaders Is there anyone else on this site that perceives a possible problem with site admins also running dynasties? I see and hear of possible persuasion of other emp's by certain admin/dynasty muckity-mucks that use the site position to influence others into doing what they want. This is NOT exactly conducive to a level playing field. Does this bother ANYONE else? I see no reason to name any names since everyone knows who does this. And since I haven't named names, the only person that could possibly get all bent out of shape is probably the perpetrator/perpetators. Roman - Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:32 am Post subject: Re: Admins who are also emp's or dynasty leaders Hi Jeff! Well, of course I can understand what you mean and I also dont know if beeing Admin/Moderator and Emp of a Dynasty - especially in the Top ranks - is that good, but if you talk about diassalowing Admins to be Emp of a Dynasty you also would need to do that for Moderators, like I am. And if I come back in a few month - when the stress at work gets lower - I again want to be Emp of my little small Dynasty. Without that I would definately not come back again. But to say the truth I also dont know how to solve the problemn oyu are talking about ..... Roman prince_chusky - Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:34 am I have always thought qtradores or moderators should not have dynastias, I vote YES sks - Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:37 am
i always thought i'm the only one who see this as a problem. i was very surprised when i joined this site about the fact that admins also participate in the competition here....for me it's a typical example of "a conflict of interests". it's like the referees having their own team in a football league they judge....... as emps they must work for their dynasties, that's clear... but since they are admins at the same time, all actions they do to help own dynasty are automatically suspicious, regardless of the real reasons they had for it. even if you have the nicest, the most honest and the most rightful person in the world on this position, the doubts will last...and since there is probably not the best person in the world here, the doubts are logically propagationately bigger.... in my opinion, this state is not good for transparency and trustworthiness of admins' decisions, for a legal certainty of the members and, not in the last row, also for admins... as they are still under the suspicion of abusing their power in favor of own dynasties. of course, i understand that those ppl came here as common members and they were active, more active and then became mods or even admins and they want to play as they did it before.... and i also understand that will be much harder to find ppl who wants to be admins, if they will not be able to run a dynasty. especially when i have to say that i don't see a big difference between "admin-emp", "admin-kampaku" or i.e. "admin-shogun"... so yes it can cause a dilemma, but i personally prefer the neutrality of admins...it would prevent many misunderstandings, quarrels and wraths.
yes it would be better, but there is a small difference.... when moderator, even the global one  , abuses his power, you can still appeal to admins as to a "higher instance". when admin abuses his power, you can appeal maybe to the train-station  so if there would be neutral admins, the mods could be tolerated, because the members will then trust to fair higher instance....
Roman - Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:40 am
Then you go to Yarold himself, he is the overover mega super duper Admin :p engelina - Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:40 am why should admins and moderators have less rigths then any normal member abd nbot be allowed to be emperor? you might as well then tell them to not be in any dynasty as a member at all. i am against a rule saying site admins and moderators can not lead a dynasty. i see no problem with an site admin also being an emperor. in the end we all are just people behind a computer. DemonicJ - Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:04 am Any & all actions done by all members (Including the mods & admins) can & is seen by Yarold. If any action done by the admins (as this is the people the thread is aimed at) was to do anything that is outside the rules or generally not considered to be appropriate, Yarold will talk to the admins concerned & if still deemed not to be right he will do something about it. The power an admin has doesnt change whether they are an Emp, kampaku, shogun or peasant, so the thought of not allowing an admin to be an Emp is pointless, as they can still do everything an EMP can. So, if you dont like a decision an ADMIN has made, I suggest you take the matter up with Yarold himself. To answer the very first post, its called politics & EVERY dynasty plays the political game. Recently there were threats made to a dynasty not to grow or be dumped, show more links or be dumped, or even the most common one thats even in some short notes, fix the negs or be dumped (yes im taking alliances here not members too). On the positive side of that argument, you have a dynasty that pays its allies for not having negs etc. All EMPS, including yours Jeff, lean on their allies to help them make goals, milestones, pass other dynasties etc Cookie - Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:32 am i dont trust anny admin i just go to yarold if i have a problem..... its a sad thing but you learn that on the way PaiGow - Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:38 pm Before I vote... Can an Admin see how I cast my vote ? Ferrari - Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:51 pm
lol good question borracho - Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:56 pm I voted
I don't see a problem with an admin being an emperor. this is just sour grapes because of the alliance shake up.......plain and simple Ferrari - Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:08 pm
I think this has nothing to do with alliances, but I can not talk for Jeff. Alliance must change from time to time, that is why stan made the max 400, he wanted circulation in the allies and dynastys, and that is what constant happened. Very good ! and works perfect. Rebecca - Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:29 pm I had no shake up with my dynasty, so that didn't influence my vote. People that have been around here long enough and have dealt with it know exactly what is going on. Will Stan wake up to it? Probably not. He's very wisely not in a dynasty for (I'm guessing) the exact reason Jeff stated. That would be unfair. On the other hand, you have admins like Bella, who are fair and always have been. Puppetmasters are very good at masking their words to seem innocent. Since I've been back, I've seen hatred. Hatred and spite and manipulation. Have politics always been a part of this site? Yes. But they used to be fun politics, instead of hatred and meanness. I've seen things said about us that are simply not true, yet because we don't participate in it and defend it, people accept it as fact. Stan, you lost a lot of people because of this that paid you money. See ya. Phara - Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:14 pm Voted a clear NO, why ? I think the "admins" are also real persons, and should have the same fun as everyone.
Gail - Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:15 pm Yarold is in Stop the Spam as a daimyo Oh pooh I said I was not going to waste my time here lol but I voted NO. jassej - Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:33 pm An admin can not be emp/kampaku by a dynasty. Because it can exploit its position in its own interest. Maybe it already has 
Yarold - Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:47 pm
yes, there is no solution for it and users make conspiracy theories about it
yes, but we have no reason to be interested in that
But i just found nice dynasty for myself Jeff - Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:00 pm WOW! I see that this post has served it's purpose of getting people to think about it! Well, mostly they are thinking about it. First, let me say, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THE ADMINS! LOL! They do an excellent job of keeping a large and diverse site functional, workable and for the most part enjoyable. I will only further state that it is a far cry between an emp whose only real "threat" is to drop allies and an emp that can ban you and your members and/or make your dealings difficult with other emps. Has this actually happened? Yes. Is this an "unfair" use of "political" clout? You betcha! Do people fear these sort of reprisals? Yes, of course they do. Should moderators be prohibited from dynasty positions? Probably not, I know of no one fearing" moderation". When people vote at nearly a 2-1 margin (so far) that it is problem yet many have not left their name. I WOULD THINK THAT IS A CLEAR INDICATION OF FEAR OF RETRIBUTIONS. I am NOT fearless, just have very little to lose. ALSO I SHOULD MAKE CLEAR THAT THE VIEWS/OPINIONS I EXPRESS ARE PURELY MY OWN AND ARE NOT THOSE OF ANYONE ELSE... Rebecca - Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:15 pm yes, but we have no reason to be interested in that Stan, that's exactly what you're missing. Obviously certain admins would be interested in that, and use this to their advantage. I've complained to you many times in PM's about abuse. You refuse to see it. Just how many complaints would satisfy you, coming from many dynasties? Cookie - Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:43 pm rebecca you are right in every single way i'm here olmost 2 years and it was always a problem... Top Cat - Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:10 pm Post subject: GOODBYE so there is a suggestion that a admin being a dynasty emperor is open to abuse and corruption so whats new being honest and fair doesn't work here , it never did, but at least it use to be fun and you got your links clicked ( yes having a outside game that needs to be clicked daily is what this site is supposed to be about ) but most people care nothing about giving real clicks (my link is clicked over 400 times daily but i only get 30 clicks/day in outcraft) now with the endless pages of fake links , the backstabbing politics of Yarolds and its self serving corrupt admin , the puppet master overseeing all. I feel it has ruined this place, I'm leaving. For good. GOODBYE gamamew - Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:11 pm
I voted NO, they can manage their dynasty at their convenience; if someone abuse of his powers, Yarold will remove from their position. When you are talking about "Moderators", it means Global Moderators? Rebecca - Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:31 pm I wish people would stop voting no, or unsure, without knowing what is really going on. If you have voted that way, you have never been subjected to what we are talking about. jassej - Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:57 pm
Rebecca you are right Cookie - Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:02 pm rebecca and top cat i'm sorry i feel really sad at the moment that it has to be this way i know you dont know me and i dont really know you both but i do know what is going on.......... i wish you didnt leave......... but i can and wil respect you're decision even if it is hard for the ones who stay behind 
Zidane - Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:51 pm Is the problem "can Admins/Mods have a dynasty and rule it?" I think that this is no problem unless the Admin/Mod will abuse his powers. If this will be the case, I think Yarold himself will deal with it, if needed. And if admins/mods will not be allowed to be emp/kamp of a dynasty, will it solve the problem you are talking about? I am afraid that this is not the solution. What difference makes admin-emp/admin-kamp/admin-shogun/admin-daimyo/admin-peasant? If s/he will want to, s/he could pull the strings being and emperor as well as being only peasant, if the emp will cooperate. If you want to disallow admins being emp/kamp, you should disallow them being in dynasties completely I think. But admins want clicks too, you know  They do many good things for the server, so why to complicate their clicking here? I believe that if any admin/mod will abuse his/her powers, the higher instance will deal with it.
CZ-Zidane, kampaku of MINI MING Phara - Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:43 am I see alot op J4F people say "kick the admin from being a leader of a dynasty" , but why? Can u all have a closer look? Cookie - Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:55 am phara where is that written???? and zidane you have a point in a way
Ferrari - Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:57 am
woow phara , where you see that 
turdkey - Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:31 am Anyone noticed how nice it is outside at this time of year in the northern hemisphere? Sunshine! I think we all need more sunshine because IMHO we have become victims of SAD . Take a few days out go visit friends and let's all see if it matters that much when we return. I think I will, because this thread, worthy or not, indicates it is all being taken far too seriously. gamamew - Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:50 am
This happens when a game starts becoming a necessary part of your life. Remember we are here to have FUN, if you're experiencing anger, sadness, frustration, etc don't open this page for a while, go out with your friends and/or family, go to the movies, shopping or any activity of your preference. Well that's my point of view, if something bothers me and isn't essential part of my (family/friends) life; I just get rid of that
Cookie - Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:24 am if it dont matter like you two say... than we just can close yarold.... besides its raining here..... alot..... for days....
borracho - Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:04 pm
exactly
Ferrari - Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:27 pm
I visit today a member of my dynasty''engeltje'' we had lots of fun without pc
Jeff - Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:01 pm Hi Duncan! Good to hear from you! You are, of course, correct. I do get out, my friend. My employer would be quite pleased to know that most of my Yarold time is during work hours. LOL! (actually, he doesn't care as long as I keep things running) The only reason I bother with this kind of instigation at all is that my time is too precious to squander on unfair competitions or sit idly by while abusive practices are aimed at my friends. I value the time that I do spend online. So does everyone here or they wouldn't bother with Yarold's exchange, forum or this thread. LOL! Anyway... Go get some air! At 98 when they wheel you out of the home, DON'T let them leave you in the sun! LMAO! Best Regards! Jeff turdkey - Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:02 am
That looks like the best way to keep yourself sane at Yarolds. I know people take this all way too seriously, just like S@H, and chill pills need administering to some but that's their loss mate. I blame the whole situation on not being able to have links to funny sites in my short notes and the raging price of Yak's milk. Things aren't like they used to be when good Queen Victoria was on the throne. How can people have fun if they've never known the joys of rickets and roundworm. All those little children hobbling around with bald heads painted purple used to give life a real perspective. Must go, it's time for a snooze, us old folks need our rest at Aunt Bessie's secure home for the geriatric crimminaly insane. Jeff - Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:55 am
Now you've got me pining for the "good old days"! footballer - Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:15 pm My answer is yes. I think that this is talking about only one admin. I'm afraid to speak further 
Alba - Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:00 pm
Of course that is only spoken of an administrator. the administrator/emperor who broke the alliance with the dynasty of the person who has begun east subject.
hmm... it is a chance?
hmm... we are going to have to think seriously about engaging bodyguard to write in the forum. 
This is very funny!! jkcove08 - Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:42 pm I have since left Yarolds at least for now because I just dont have time. I might be able to make time but really dont want to. When I started clicking here it was pretty neat. I am a stay at home mom who also watches 3 children from another family. During the day I have 4 children 3 years of age and younger. I was pretty excited figuring at least I could talk to adults here... Boy was I wrong. Most of the members are just as spoiled and rude as the children I watch. The big difference is they adults should know better. I am ashamed that many of the people here act the way they do. I would never let my 2 teenages click here if even if we could have 2 accounts from the same home!!! I realize that there are also many wonderful honest people that also try to participate here but it is such a shame that the others have ruined it for the rest of us. I had dropped out of FFH but since decided that I will rejoin and Roman and I will just not take any alliances for now. I truly hope that while I am gone that many of these childish adults grow up again and realize that they are acting like children. Jenn Jeff - Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:03 pm Post subject: Things that AMAZE me... 1. People that REALLY DON'T know what they are talking about but are "experts" on the subject. 2. Memory loss in otherwise young, healthy, intelligent people. 3. The Stockholm Syndrome. (Google it.) LMAO! bluebell_rose - Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:25 pm
very true pili. I still remember what tiddamouse said about her. mao_nagra - Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:14 am I suppose it is time to stop this discussion if people are afraid of something and don't fell secure and at home in this forum you just have to go if you lack it has it is just stay else just go away there are no wan that constrict you to stay in the forum if you don't lack it DashaBlade - Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:56 am I can't vote in this poll. The reason? Because there's no "I could not possibly care less." choice. Seriously, if the way things are done on the site ever bother me enough to start picketing and protesting, I'll just take my toys and play somewhere else. Life's too short to be worried that some admin might possibly get more clicks than I do or that someone else's dynasty is doing better than mine. I didn't sign up for the site to get into fights. If I want those, there are other places online where I can go. 
I signed up to get visits to one game I played. Through this site, I've found dozens of other fun games, some of which I play, and some of which my kids play, because I saw someone's link. The drama and the politics and the conspiracies? Nahhh. I'll go pick fights at livejournal or MySpace if I want that. They yell louder.
Cookie - Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:09 am i think the results say it all........... mao_nagra - Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:24 am has a non voter I don't know the results
sks - Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:42 am well...i thought this topic is for general discussion about possible "conflict of interests" when admins participate in a competition.... looks like i was wrong, probably due to my insufficient knowledge of english language. then sorry, my post was off-topic. nevertheless, after i've read all three pages of posts, i have to ask one question: is it useful for the site to have an admin who divides the community, causes members (even paying ones) leave or even causes personal attacks between other members? bluebell_rose - Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:04 am We love jay. If frank didn't think jay was up to it, would frank promote jay to admin? DemonicJ - Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:18 am
People will come & people will go, whether they pay or not. If they are leaving because of an admins actions, maybe they should be looking at why admins are constantly removing their short notes, posts in forums, multi accounts or adding warnings & even bans (both in the forum & on the exchange site). Admins are here to make sure the rules are followed & to take appropriate action to rectify things that arent. sks - Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:14 am
yes. this is exactly what i wrote about. many love him and many hate him. many think about his motivation every time he does anything... i'm far to judge where the truth is, who is a "victim" and who is an "offender" and i have to say i don't care much, i'm just an ordinary clicker. only what i want to say is, that, in my humble opinion, for the site would be better to have an admin who would cause less emotions - less loved and less hated admin. more neutral person who will calm down the quarrels instead of causing them with his every second decision (again, doesn't matter if he is right or not; maybe even worse when he is....). well maybe i'm strange or naive or both, but by me, admins generally shouldn't be loved or hated, just respected....
no problem with it. my post had nothing to do with work of admins. Jeff - Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:15 pm
That, Jay is exactly what admins are for! And it is exactly what most admins do. The problem is when an admin doesn't stop at enforcing the rules and uses his power or threat of using it to further his/her own interests. This may even harm the website and members the admin is charged with protecting! Just to clarify my situation, since this statement is phrased to allow people to infer that I have had my short notes and forum posts constantly removed, that I have had multi accounts and multiple warnings and bans... Aside from having short notes removed for being too big, NONE of these things apply to me! With the exception being that I have received ONE warning in this forum because I used a modified cuss word when referring to a man that was abusing a friend at this site. Everything was denied by both parties to the admins, and he is still here. I am member in good standing and have been so for well over a year. At one time I even considered joining Jay's dynasty when I was new. I do what I do and say what I say because I care about a place where I DO spend a significant amount of time! I do care about a place where I have MANY friends! I am NOT a chronic malcontent! What I AM is somebody that is NOT AFRAID to speak my mind when someone is perpetrating an injustice. I have only ever criticized anything or anyone three times in this forum and the exchange. Two times were to point out that a man was injuring a female friend by use of social/power inequity. One was just plain mean spirited and the other was based on control/power desires. That second one was very similar to the third time I spoke out which was about a certain dynasty's use of questionable tricks to win the clicking contests. The need to win, to beat others, is also what instigated this thread, the thought that an admin may be using his position to further his dynasty and his aspirations at the cost of good members. Is this wrong for me to want you to at least THINK about the possibility that EVERYONE you meet online and yes. even here at Yarold's may be self-centered and NOT have YOUR best interests at heart all the time? And that, in the case of the first incident, may even cause you harm? In the case of the second that those of you that put such a high premium on winning that you were possibly being cheated? Or in this last case that an admin could use his position and power to bully and manipulate otherwise upstanding members for his own / his dynasty's gain? Guess what? There appears to be a LOT of people that ARE concerned about these things! Some are so tired of it, they even left Yarold's after long and distinguished memberships. Some have even paid and walked away. These people left because they were beat down fighting against people that were in a position to hurt them that they could not do anything about. I mean the full range from constant mild irritation to depression from someone ruining something they loved for them. It wasn't because of the flippant reasons Jay would have you believe based on his statement. If you are not concerned, then good luck in all your internet dealings and especially in the REAL WORLD where people can REALLY hurt you. At least I have made you aware. Momentarily anyway. Of course, those of you willing to put up with abuse and look the other way to someone else being abused so that you can be liked or stay in the good graces of a website community admin, or find any "conflict" distasteful, probably don't get out very often anyway. I will tell you one thing, NOBODY walks on me or my friends, while I sit idly by so I can stay "comfortable"! Your Friend, Jeff [ Added: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:53 am ]
I try to refrain from anything personal, but since you are wrongly accusing my friend... If you bothered to read the thread before making snide remarks you would know that I. JEFF started this discussion and I am not HER! Also if if some fly-by-nighter, some flash in the pan, like "tiddamouse" had something enlightening to say she should say it... Oh wait, tiddamouse is long gone according to her profile. If you want to make derogatory comments about someone you could at least give it the personal touch and be original. Jeanne - Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:50 pm Did anyone have a problem with Frank (Metalteo) running his dynasty? Does anyone have a problem with Bella running it now? Before taking MODS/Admins away from Dynasty leaderships we really need to think what the real problem is? Is it all that we have a problem with? or the actions of 1? and what are the exact actions? Is it jealousy on our part or site rules being broken or exploited. It needs serious considerations on our motives for doing things before we start removing Admin Emperors. Sure they can use the "powers" they have also to benefit their dynasty/members and as Emp I would like to have the same abilities sometimes (when a member by accident leaves his/her links open and logg off I could enter the profile and turn them off before the member went negative - or has a "bad" SN - I could edit it) but who among you wouldn't do the same if you had the ability? Jeff we can joke about it but I don't think I have the Stockholm Syndrom - yes I have gone back several times - but not to Jay .... to The MOB - to help run it and I wasn't threatened or pushed to do so - I "grew up" in that dynasty and maybe because I ran it as Emp for a while - I care about that dynastys wellbeing . I dislike the vendetta that has been going on here for months now, and I don't think it would end even if Stan "demoted" Jay, it's personal attacks on a guy and anyone close to him - If anyone see a problem with a dynasty run by an admin - don't ally with it and it will go away - simple really. I am gratefull to all the MODs and Admins who spend so much of their time working (unpaid and un-thanked) to help Stan keep this site running for the rest of us. Jenn: LOL - always the voice of reason - I love you
jassej - Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:46 pm
Metalteo (was) and Bella is in a dynasty to help members or others dynasty and not for competition like this 1. All should have respect to admin ant not hate him or be afraid. Should a admin to read or delete pm? Activist tell me, admin read and delete his pm. Maybe admin can do it this but people are offended and leave yarold.
So simple is not...because he make everything that members others dynasty leave yarold Yarold - Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:26 pm
this action (all editing to be precise) is logged and you 'd be denominated from admin quite fast People here are mostly not children and can think of actions they make, so i suggest end discussions like 'Hey, sky is blue, lets make it black" as you can see this topic have 3 pages of those, and its not going anywhere. Please start giving any solutions. And for those with "Demote DJ": if i were to demote DJ because of your voices then: - short notes size - fortunately are checked by script and that can go normal way. - short notes moderation - someone have to check if dynasty exchange page is in one piece, remove all s*** f*** b***, blinking things and other from them. After that explain that its not abusing freedom of speech. Its not equally divided between admins so it might leave 1/3 of members without moderation. ( i resigned from that long time ago) - links moderation - we have moderators to help with that so only waiting time will extend - multies - at the moment DJ and ecco do those. This task is most time consuming. I guess some of you 'd get full of joy to start new "multies war" Above sums up for no. Next person gives better suggestion ( - line for those who played Ë„Ë‚Ë… game) Tevie - Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:56 pm Ok Stan wants a solution so here's my idea and unless someone can come up with something better I don't want to hear anything negative about it! Train Monkeys and make them Mods and Admins. Think about it Monkeys can be trained for lots of things and they don't care about helping other creatures grow or having the biggest city ... ok maybe they'd play the La Brute when they're in a fighting mood but hey nothing perfect. The best part if someone breaks a rule they'll just throw ... err maybe it's not the best idea but hey it will stop people real quick from breaking rules who wants to get hit with poo. MUSHpark - Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:30 pm
No, this is clearly pointed at Jay. What else is new?
I think it's a perception of unequal treatment of people who break or exploit site rules. I don't think there's much argument that multies (rule breakers) being banned is a bad thing. I think some dynasties feel targeted when people in their dynasties end up the ones being banned.
Yes, Jeanne. You and I have a unique perspective of having tried to run the Mob in spite of a lot of people hating Jay. It really limits the ability to get and keep a lot of allies who refuse to deal with him. The mob would be much more successful, probably, if Jay weren't an admin than if it is. Stan was nice enough to list Jay's duties for us.... seems the only one where he really can abuse his "power" to affect the dynasty competition is in banning multies. So clearly this thread is all about him "abusing his power" by banning rule-breakers. It is no surprise that some of the loudest voices of dissent are from dynasties that have had a lot of multi-accounts get banned in the past. I'd be interested in hearing anyone cite any one specific example of Jay inappropriately banning an account. Just one, please. sks - Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:36 pm
be sure i really don't care about the names of admins and it isn't personal, at least from my side. and since i noticed that you joined in september 08, let me show you few quotes from july of the same year
i could show you more, but i'm lazy to search and read old topics
so you can see that this has nothing to do with a concrete person. accusations come every time when people feel to be traited or hurt or even cheated (regardless if they are right or not). imho the best solution is to have neutral admins which are not members of any dynasty. otherwise this situation will come back again and again time to time.... well, why not to pay them? isn't it possible? i'm sure they deserve it for their work.
i'm sure you are joking... otherwise i hope you will not become an admin here
MUSHpark - Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: GOODBYE
LOL! This comes from the first player to hit 500 average, by dynasty hopping. (Causing Stan to insert the rule resetting your clicks to 0 when you change dynasties.) Yes, you're a shining example of being honest and fair.
This is almost entirely a result of the current implementation of "happy hours". When the Mob started them, we showed 1 or 2 links for the whole hour. But then your former dynasty was the one who perfected the art of showing 9 extra useless links for 5 seconds. I don't disagree with you at all. You're 100% correct. It's just really odd to hear you being the one complaining about it.
Sorry to see you go. You were one of the first players here that I watched and wanted to grow up to be like. Back before you refused to talk to me. jassej - Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:55 pm
That a admin is open to abuse and corruption must not be that he banned someone for nothing. Is it enough to read and erase pm from members and so insulted people. Interesting that he makes this to top members of the other dynasty, but not to its own members! Or do you think this is ok? Jeff - Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:24 pm Post subject: An apology, an opinion and a request First I want to make public my response to thoughtful PM I recieved from TiddaMouse - I appreciate you taking the time to write me! We do not know each other and I took liberties with what I said regarding you. I apologize for saying what amounted to a personal attack on you. I didn't intend to try to hurt you, only that you were here once, now you are not and people had no right to use your name to infer a slander on Marga, who is here daily trying her best to do right by her friends and allies. I'm sorry. Also, I am as guilty as anyone when making assumptions. And like anyone, I can be wrong in assuming they were talking about Marga. BUT, like everyone, I believe I am right. Only a fool or insane person believes something he knows is wrong. For the most part, I am neither. LOL! Second - I started this tread and poll to illustrate a problem I believe exists without accusing anyone. Things have, as always, gone a bit too far! It is perfectly fine that we may disagree on things. I don't expect agreement from anyone just as I don't expect to have to agree. The only thing REALLY required is respect for each other and our beliefs. That's all. Besides if everyone agreed on everything the world would be a dismal place. A wise man once said, "I never learned ANYTHING from someone that agreed with me." I know that Jay has some very good points. I also know that he performs a necessary and thankless job very well. I simply pointed out a conflict of interest and never even said anything about ANYONE specifically. Given what I have actually said, why does EVERYONE "know" it was aimed at Jay? LOL! Anyway... Stan, my solution is that admins that run dynasties be careful and practice personal restraint when dealing with others. If that cannot be accomplished, then others need to have a recourse to voice grievances and be heard and duly considered. And if abuse of power or out right wrong-doing IS in fact uncovered, it is dealt with in a meaningful way. I am NOT suggesting and have NEVER suggested anyone be demoted. As the originator of this thread, I believe that everything constructive has been said. I have said more than what I wanted to say. I believe it is better to disagree and debate openly, rather than behind closed doors. I don't want public finger-pointing and name calling. That is counter productive. This thread has apparently gone way beyond my original desires to make people aware of a possible problem and possibly make an admin think about what they are doing and how it is percieved, BEFORE they do it when performing dynasty functions. Once more, I (and possibly you) am a victim of my own desire when debating to "ga verder"! LOL! (I just LOVE the way that rolls off the tongue!) It is MY wish that Yarold please close this thread, not delete it, just lock it from further entries. Best regards! Jeff jassej - Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: An apology, an opinion and a request
"Poll expires in : 6 Days, 11 Hours, 41 Minutes" So please dont close this thread!! Jeff - Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:50 pm Sorry Jassej! Yes, I see people are still voting. And THAT is useful. Thank you. I just didn't and still don't want any MORE hard feelings produced from a thread I started. |
