Yarold - Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:48 am Post subject: Showing links Checking if it was that bad. Explanations welcome as always. DemonicJ - Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:06 am Do you mean "do we support the rule" or Do we support it being deleted"? Yarold - Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:24 am Do you support ... rule? DemonicJ - Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:32 am then disregard how I answered the poll I less no, but as Jeanne has voted yes in error its now balanced out City of MT - Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:04 am First and foremost, this is a click exchange, not who can horde the most in game currency. It is only fair to show where you want to click. When the rule was implemented, there were many more links available to click, now, it is back to a few. To solve the long waiting times the cheaters' links can be made to cost more credits than it is worth, as done before. People who have genuine long waiting period links can be distinguished in that they only have that particular type of link in their profile or that they show that type of link everywhere. They do not have one type of link shown in one place and another type of link in another place. There are plenty of games on many different sites that let you be the best or top of whatever you want to be; this is not one of them. This is a click exchange. Ella - Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:23 am I support the rule to have at least 1 link shown in main and history if you want to click on that page. So, if i understand correct, i herewith have voted 'yes' Jeanne - Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:14 am Oh I voted before reading the posts - disregard my vote too - 1 less yes. I am showing a link on main but should I be forced I wouldn't - I don't like force or restrictions. Edit: if you're looking for a reason the clicks has gone down - it's the new scoring system - it's so boring as a budget meeting: You sit with the calculator and check your profile: Do I need to show more links and if so how much limit? or am I even? Half my links haven't been out since this scoring system started I break even so why show more? Many of my members clicks around or just above 400 - that's what they get clicked in dynasty with their 1 link showing so why show more? Ferrari - Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:18 am Why everyone is making a account on yarolds? they are making a account on a link exchange site. so what do you do here? exchange links I think it is not understandeble when someone click other links and not show their own link. So my opinon is show your link, click other links and when your credits are zero, thats bad for you becouse your link get no clicks, that means work harder, or accept that you get no more clicks.  Yes you must show your link on the place where you click other links
Namilee - Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:59 am When I want to to click these sites I show a link or two,depends on my sumup. But since I don't like to be forced,too I agree with Jeanne. This is a tiny YES. Have a nice day! dorville - Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:19 am Yes, I support the idea. This is an exchange site and exchange means "give and take" bluebell_rose - Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:25 am I'm with Jeanne, I don't lke to be forced. And lately I haven't been showng links in main lately is because of the poor follow through rate. When I show my link, I expect to be clcked all the way through, not have people click my link and don't do anything on it. And if if the min clicks are used in calculation. I only show extras to make it even with the amount I clicked. Not gonna show more than I've been clicked n dyn. Not worth the effort. And lately I noticed that there wasn't any links even in dyn. Probably due to the new system, people aren't showing more than they've clicked. Nope not a single link Roman - Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:32 am
Yes, and I voted NO because I read the sentence wrong..... I said NO to deleting the rule instead of yes to support the rule. (which both is the same but counts other way round) Well .... I hope, that my wrong vote does not make problems now 
bubika - Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:34 am voted YES too 
thepossum1 - Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:03 pm I voted yes, but do not see why history would need to be included. I use the same link for main & dynasty so if you can't click on one page ( not in my alliance), you're able to get the click on the other. Only my allies will see my extras--on our dynasty page----otherwise, why have allies if they aren't "special"? Dannic2002 - Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:12 pm I support the rule that if you want to click links you must have a link visible for what you click. And perhaps one that says you cant make a link visible just for the time you want to click. Dan bodisson-2 - Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:21 pm I voted no because I prefer to manage ratio myself (as I do since 2nd update). I don't think I penalize others by this way. I just try to balance done/received If I can't make enought (few hours before reset) I remove my link to "main" On the other hand , if I have more done than receive I let link and share few others extra links before reset. Isn't it a faithful share? Edit:  sorry , I was tired yesterday and maybe said nosense.
With "yes" or "no" , if we can unmark what we want when we want , it doesn't change something anymore for me.(I remove "main" link when I go to bed  so I don't need to use "main" for click in this time).
iFly - Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:10 pm I voted yes. I support the rule. Like most, I actually WANT clicks onto my game and I get more follow-through clicks on Main...so I have a link there. However, since this rule is not enforced, I am getting LESS follow-throughs and more clicks on my game. Tuleria - Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:56 pm I voted yes. This is a exchange site, right? So you show links and click links! misunkyno - Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:34 am i sincerely dont know. i mean its fair that if youre showing your link you can click others and the opposite, but also as it has been said - if someone already clicks my link in dynasty or history, they dont need to see it in main.. other thing - if there is the possibility to have your main clicked only if you show main, i thing for some ppl it will loose sense to be a part of a dynasty. and third - i agree with dunno who wrote it here . that ppl with interactive links wont waste their credits, or better said - when you have too many links there are ppl who dont upgrade whatever the links need and just close the windows, taking care of hat only. i have a mmc so im fine, not loosing credits, but i can understand that others do which is unfair, no?? thats why i dont know if im for yes or no.. no is better for all i think.. dunno... Chillaxville - Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:56 am I voted Yes. It only makes sense that you should show a link on the page that you're clicking on because after all it is a click exchange. It's also important to note that while the rule was in place there were far more clicks available 
Jeanne - Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:22 am I've been thinking some more about this; For me in a dynasty of a size that can't compete for the top rank - why even bother with clicking on main? My dynasty's total score will never be high enough anyway and since I only get score for minimum, meaning I have to show as much as I click, the purpose of clicking main is really gone for all in smaller dynasties. Zidane - Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:04 pm Voted yes, but I have to say that I support the rule "show where do you want to click" for Main and Dynasty. Being able to hide my link from History and still being able to click there is one of the VIP benefits and I think it should stay so. What benefit will be there from being VIP if not that? Just the 2 000 credits if I buy the VIP or just the "I have the blue star" when I receive the VIP for the 60k or so clicks?
I thought that if I click for example my emp´s link in Main, I will not see it in Dynasty exchange when I go there because the link was already clicked and thus does not show anywhere for me until "resetted" so where is the problem? If someone clicks your link in dynasty, s/he will not see it in Main - or am I wrong? The "show link in Main" thing is mainly for newbies, so they can click a lot of links in Main - and you will receive your clicks back in most cases via History, so you will not fall into negatives I think. Jeanne - Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:55 pm I don't mind showing on main. I have had 2 links on 24/7 in main, I can handle it - most newbies can't. Should it become mandatory to display on main I will remove 3,200 clicks from there and only show/click in dynasty. Xazy - Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:04 pm Even if it doesn't help my Dynasty ranking, I would still click main because 1. it helps my personal ranking (higher mins and sums) and 2. I click for fun and a way to pass time. Wolverines - Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:32 pm i dont think you have to show on main....unless u want to click the main....same with history Zidane - Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:47 pm Yes. Still better if people show in Main at least for a few minutes until they click everything here than if they do not show in Main at all. But I fear that if the rule will be resurrected, there will be dozens of Yerhotels in Main again... let us hope Stan knows what he is doing and planned some counterattack against those "high-time-limit links" smarties already 
bluebell_rose - Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:26 pm how is it gonna work? Already we have people neg in our dyn and allies. Thanks to the new update people aren't showng extras. They can barely stay postive. Once you make it mandatory to show in main, those people are never gonna be able to keep postive. Especially with the link drought thanks to the new update iFly - Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:53 pm If everybody ALWAYS had a link on main then it's just like the dyn exchange. bluebell_rose - Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:48 pm history should not be mandatory. non vips have to show in his no matter what. Vips are given the privilage of not showing in his. so now if you make it mandatory, what is the perk of buying vip or having vip? What's the use except to have html in notes and have a nice blue star? You might as well remove vip status altogether if you make it so misunkyno - Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:11 am i agree its very hard for newbies. on one hand they can click a lot in main, like it used to be for a day or two, but if they dont log in for a day (in the beginning they have to get used to being really active), they end up negative very fast... thats why im so unsure and more for no... ps... its kinda crazy but to help newbies it should be optional for them shoing in history and mandatory for "old folks"... even tho its not fair.. but its actually a big thing when they are starting. at least with the old system it was.. iFly - Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:27 am
When did I, or anyone, say it would be mandatory? If you want to click somewhere, show somewhere. It's that simple. erLo - Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:19 am I clicked yes and misunderstood the question, so that's another for the no. My reason is, I show my main links at a different time from when I click there because of the nature of the game I'm trying to get clicks for. I try to keep things even in click/receive in main and dynasty although there are fewer links to be found in dynasty now. So for the way I manage things mandatory showing when clicking won't work for me. erLo new kampaku of Ravelry Dragon Knitters Zidane - Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:45 pm
What about showing in Main only when being online - turning it on after login and turning it off after logout? No problem with "I will not login for a day - I will be negative" - I do it so myself unless I forget to turn it off , but with my credits it is no problem, I click lots of credits back through History and it helps my city. I am for yes, who does not want to show 24/7/365, may show only when being online or even only for a few minutes until s/he clicks all links in Main and then turn it off, enough said
Jeanne - Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:41 pm
Try explain that to a newbie on top of all the other things they have to know from start add then language problems and you got a bunch of frustrated negative newbies. Yarold - Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:58 pm We will give it a try tommorow. Main newbies problem is that there are no links in main. Not that they are clicked. Vips can hide their links from history when they are not clicking. I suggest also switching from "negatives" to "0 clicks done" already. Blurk - Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:56 pm I joined because I liked the idea of exchanging clicks. It turned out that clicking became a game in his own write, with people creating meaningless accounts on games with names like HH1, HH2, HH3 etc. to get higher scores  .
The recently deleted rule had no function in my opinion because it was possible to show a link for a minute or so, click all there was to click and then hide your link again . Clicking in main and history just was more work, the rule didn't make it more 'fair'. I have never fully understood the function of clicking in history anyway. That part is in my opinion what makes it hard and unfair towards newbies. I would drop it all together  .
The amount of links to click after implementing "the rule" also became way to high (for me). I need time to do some work too sometimes you know . This rule made it only more of a "who can horde the most in game currency." game. Just like City of MT mentioned.
As it stands now, I have to say I hate the new scoring system. At least for Dynasty. It was way more fun the way it was. I don't care how the "overall score" is calculated. I'm only interested in the Registered Members page sorted by clicks Done  .
I don't want to criticize every change. I do like all the extra statistics very much and especially the Activity page  .
Jeanne - Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:31 pm I second that - I don't see the purpose of history page either and it will become a case of turning a link on, click all there is and turn it off again. Annie - Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:00 pm New to Yarolds but I thinks it's a great idea to show a link in the area you wish to click. I came here about a year ago after a recommend and it was absolutely impossible to stay positive not being in a dynasty, even sitting and watching for 20 hours and clicking every single link in the main because there were hardly any links. I was credit raped in seconds. I thought Yarolds was rubbish then and left within 4 days. I am sure there are people doing what I did, and trying their hardest but leaving, every single day. I tried again about a month ago after some more badgering from said friend and was absolutly terrified to join a Dynasty becasue of the NO NEGATIVES!!! message. I was trying my hardest to get positive outside of a dynasty before I tried to join one. Again I miserably failed to stay positive just relying on the main so left again. After a long, long chat with Bluebell and her offering more and more advice and a few words from her to get me into a dynasty I tried again. This time round success simply becasue I am in a dynasty now. Should it really be that way though?
Yarolds is so right in what he says about new people and needing to get them to stay on the site. The main needs to be supported by everyone that can afford it. I try to show my link in there as much as I can, despite what my dynasty charter says simply becasue I have been there and want to help. Either that or make history compulsary, which I really don't agree with as it's a real pain having to cut and paste my links in and out each time I want to show extras (not being a VIP I get credit raped from history in seconds) Just my ten pennies worth after being the poor noob who everyone used to credit rape
Step back and forget dynsasty politics and competition for a second and who can be best. If Yarolds gets more members staying around then the smaller dynasties will grow as large as the big ones! Thats why there is a dynasty member limit at a guess? eirien - Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:45 pm People were complaining about those who could show extra links, and now there's no incentive to show extra links so people don't (why should they?) and now people are complaining there's not enough links? Can't have it both ways I guess.
Annie - Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:00 am
I'm specifically talking about the main for someone without a dynasty in my post, how many people flash extras to the main for people in no dynasties? In fact if you're new and not in a dynasty you know nothing about happy hours and extras. My incentive to show my extra links even though I am not a VIP is for helping my dynasty, not sure what others motivations were and why those motivations would have changed? eirien - Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:06 am
Any extra links you show over and above the number you click do not benefit your average and therefore do not contribute to your dynasty. The current system takes the LOWER number from your clicks received and clicks done. The incentive therefore is to only show links up to the amount you click and to take them down after that. Annie - Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:13 am
Ah thank-you
Goods news since thats what I've been trying to aim for, mainly for credits in = credits out since theres no point in hoarding them for me, but glad it's working out for something else as well. eirien - Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:17 am
Exactly, but there is also no point to showing links on Main or in Dynasty above what you can click in a day unless you want your credits to drain for no benefit to your average or your dynasty. Hence, less links for everyone to click. Xazy - Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:26 am Looks like the rule was put back in place. bluebell_rose - Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:34 am Vips are given the privilage of not showing in his. so now what is the perk of buying vip or having vip? What's the use except to have html in notes and have a nice blue star? You might as well remove vip status altogether. We are now required to show in his when we want to click in his. eirien - Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:15 am
Do you mean non-VIPs now have the option of not showing a link in history? thepossum1 - Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:16 am The only advantage that I can see to VIP now is that we only need to show 1 link in history in order to click there. For those who do not have VIP, ALL their links show in history which will tend to make many of them minus in a hurry. 
eirien - Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:24 am
I'm confused about what the problem is here. Am I missing something? VIPs still (as far as I know) have the ability to NOT show a link in History, right? Unless they want to click there so they need to show one link for the five minutes it takes to click. Is this a hardship? And I thought non-VIPs always did have all their links showing there anyway, so what's the change? (Apart from now VIPs can't click them and not give a link back in return anymore) If I've missed something important please let me know. thepossum1 - Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:50 am No, you've got it right---the only change is that now a link (for VIPS) must be shown in order to click., but it hadn't occurred to me to only have it out while I clicked DOH!
To simplify, I just checked all three boxes for my one 24/7 link. Most will have already clicked in dynasty or main anyway, so it's not really adding all that many extra clicks. Jeanne - Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:13 am The perk of having VIP is still that you can have all 10 slots filled but only show 1 of them where you choose. Yarold - Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:55 am
this will lead to no clicks at all. person A - If i cant get enough clicks i will remove my link person B - if i cant click A then i will remove my link too [...] person A - there's nothing to click eirien - Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:28 am
Yep. I did say that I felt this change would lead to less links being available eventually. Most people I know try to get the clicks done & clicks received as close as possible. If their clicks received and clicks done are getting to be the same they will take any extra link down. Why have it up for people to click when all it will do is drain their credits and their average doesn't benefit any over and above the lower number? Ella - Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:18 pm Isn't there a person C ? the none dynasty member. A + B are dynasty members, one showing a link all the time and the other when it suits. No matter how their strategy is to show their link(s) on main/histoy, C should be able to click anyways at a certain point which enables to build up credits and keeping his/her link(s) clicked. Which favors A + B + C Edit. Oh, allright...it sudenly comes through about when 1 link in main/history/dynasty. No problem if one has more then 1 link, one for main/history and one for dynasty. But that's not always the case. Jeanne - Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:17 pm
Exactly what we have been trying to tell you. I have no control over how many links will be out for me to click so I don't start out with showing a lot - as the day goes by I keep checking my profile to see if I'm ahead or behind on clicks received and then I put out - not before. Yes this will lead to everyone holding back waiting for ... eventually ... nothing
eirien - Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:14 pm
I do the same thing. I'm on holiday from work at the moment so I click and then add or remove a link as needed throughout the day. Once I go back to work I will miss all the HH and a lot of people are neg by the time I come online so I can only click a certain amount therefore I will show one link only. I'm happy to show more links if there was some reason or benefit to me/my dynasty to do so. Yarold - Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:26 pm
This was present before update, but was not so visible, and i think i was pointing that earlier.
Your dynasty is losing if you dont. End of day one: main: "Total: 214 members on this page" (i have links limit turned off), so im happy that 214 people dont follow mentioned way (including Jeanne hyh). eirien - Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:38 pm
How so? Jeanne - Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:58 am
Yep as I said: I was willing to show 2-3 links on main but I hate oppression and force - I show 1 link while I click and turn it off as soon as I'm done. |
