ninitoons76 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:04 am Post subject: ninitoons76 banned, flauremarine too!!! I suppose that we are banned because I helped a friend. It is forbidden to help the friends? flauremarine, only gave me her password for I put some extra links on her account. you are right Demonicj, it wasn't the first time I went on flauremarine's profile, but it was only to put her links visible or not, as she asked me! I have sent you all flauremarine's mails and mine! so you know I haven't multi account. I have given you all I could explain. so I'm still banned..and if I'm sorry it's only for all my friends! never wait for some "please" or "excuse me" from me! (it sould be easier for me to say in french what I think..) idem32 - Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:02 pm sorry for my bad english!! thi is all menssage vie yarolds into demonicj and me. Sender [V]idem32 Recipient [A]DemonicJ Subject banned to ninitoons76 and flaure Sent 09/04/28 08:29:42 good morning dear demonicj,i talking with ninitoons76 (coco) and she tell me that flaure not understand how to put the links out in hh and for this ninitoons76 enter in the account of flauremarine for help to she to put this links with the hour! ninitoons76 and flaure no know that this can be banned. I have in my possession the mail that they sent. please demonicj unbanned the account of they. i says to they that all this is prohibited enter in the account of other person till for help with something. please.....sorry by my bad english. I am alone since last night,jassej is broked pc. please you help me,they learn the lesson!!! They do not return has...please.... Chelo.Kampaku of MMC UBC. Sender [A]DemonicJ Recipient [V]idem32 Subject RE: RE: banned to ninitoons76 and flaure Sent 09/04/28 09:44:07 9th Febuary, ninitoons76 had a multi banned. you would think they would learn?? ninitoons sent this to me today "I know you don't believe me, but I only wanted to help flauremarine. she didn't know how to put extra links, so I did it for her yesterday, but I didn't do anything else on her account." Fact is ninitoons has been in flaure's account on more than one occasion over a period of a few days. Rules are 1 account per person, its a simple rule. Having someone access an account to add or remove links makes it a multi Sender [V]idem32 Recipient [A]DemonicJ Subject RE: banned to ninitoons76 and flaure Sent 09/04/28 09:21:43 i write to you days before about a person that have 2 account here in yarolds you remember? and you and yarolds no make nothing for banned and for help if banned,i no understand....sorry... chelo. Sender [A]DemonicJ Recipient [V]idem32 Subject RE: RE: banned to ninitoons76 and flaure Sent 09/04/28 10:34:24 Flaure is banned till the 7th May Ninitoons is banned till 21st May If I see them access any accounts during that time they will be permanently banned. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HERE BE THE MAIL INTO FLAURMARINE AND NINITOONS76,FOR HELP!!!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender [V]idem32 Recipient [A]DemonicJ Subject RE: RE: RE: banned to ninitoons76 and flaure Sent 09/04/28 10:53:41 i tell you please,no banned so time to they flauremarine till 7 and about ninitoons76 till 21? is much time only for help always....see this....mail into they...sorry is in french... Sender [V][Banned]ninitoons76 Recipient [V]idem32 Subject mails with flauremarine Sent 09/04/28 07:51:27 Sender [V][Banned]ninitoons76 Recipient [V][Banned]flauremarine Subject coucou Sent 09/04/27 19:57:54 coucou Yolande, il va falloir que l'on fasse quelque chose pour la dynastie, et que l'on te crée 1 liste d'extra liens. il y a quelques empereurs qui trouvent que notre dynastie est plutôt radine!!! gros bisous coco Sender [V][Banned]flauremarine Recipient [V][Banned]ninitoons76 Subject RE: coucou Sent 09/04/27 19:59:01 ok coco Sender [V][Banned]flauremarine Recipient [V][Banned]ninitoons76 Subject RE: coucou Sent 09/04/27 20:39:54 pour moi il y a papacité, hermicity, parisville4,reimoiville,jaidinon,isamouff,stanfastown d'une manière générale nous avons les mêmes amies dans les minivilles, tu peux me mettre des villes dont tu connais bien. Il faut que tu me dises comment il faut que je fasse pour les faire apparaître à 20h. Je t'ai mis quelques villes que tu ne connais pas et qui sont des ami(e)s de miniville. bonne soirée coco et bisous yolande Sender [V][Banned]ninitoons76 Recipient [V][Banned]flauremarine Subject RE: RE: coucou Sent 09/04/27 20:43:01 je te mettrai quelques liens, mais pas ceux que nous avons en commun, ce n'est pas possible... ensuite je te ferai 1 mail pour que tu puisses faire apparaitre tes liens demain merci et gros bisous coco Sender [V][Banned]flauremarine Recipient [V][Banned]ninitoons76 Subject RE: RE: RE: coucou Sent 09/04/27 20:45:48 d'accord, je te laisse faire la liste, ceux que je t'ai donné sont des minivilles Merci et bisous Sender [V][Banned]ninitoons76 Recipient [V][Banned]flauremarine Subject c'est fait!!! Sent 09/04/27 21:23:46 re coucou j'ai seulement pu te mettre 4 des liens que tu m'as donné (les autres sont déjà utilisés par d'autres membres) demain tu devrais pouvoir les rendre visibles à 20h. il te suffira d'aller dans ton profil, "links" et dans "visibility" cocher "dynasty" pour chaque ville.et ensuite cliquer sur "update" tu verras c'est hyper facile!!! Sender [V][Banned]flauremarine Recipient [V][Banned]ninitoons76 Subject flauremarine Sent 09/04/27 22:16:38 Merci, j'ai compris ce qu'il fallait faire pour demain soir, par contre combien de temps je laisse les cases cochées dans dynastie, est ce qu'il faut que je les décoche au bout d'un certain temps ou bien cela se fait automatiquement? Je te donnerai d'autres liens demain, il y a des petites villes que je mets sur beni, personne ne doit les mettre il y a une personne qui passe sur mon BM presque tous les jours et je lui mets ses deux villes sur bahut ou beni car elle n'utilise aucun site d'échange, je ne sais pas pourquoi; il s'agit de garnouchette et son autre ville est elie-1 il faut que je regarde si c'est ainsi que s'écrit cette 2ème ville. J'espère que cela va fonctionner, tous les jours j'avais honte de ne pas mettre de extra link et j'allais t'en parler. bonne soirée et merci pour tout coco, j'ai lu ton message chez Maggy, tu es très gentille. bisous yolande ___________________________________________________________________________ DEMONICJ ANSWER ALL THIS... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender [A]DemonicJ Recipient [V]idem32 Subject RE: RE: RE: RE: banned to ninitoons76 and flaure Sent 09/04/28 10:55:59 I think you missed my point, ninitoons has had multi accounts banned before, she should consider herself lucky it isnt a permanent ban. Flaure gets a week for sharing account login information. The rule is 1 account per person, stands to reason that means only one login information per person Sender [V]idem32 Recipient [A]DemonicJ Subject RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: banned to ninitoons76 and flau Sent 09/04/28 11:35:55 sorry but,i no see just that the rules be for a person and for other no! i see all it´s this days..... no is just,sorry. please,if you want can banned me to changer of they!!!! i know that MMC UBC need me,but more need me the persons..... maybe all this is because you not want that MMC UBC continue to be number 1º???!!!!!! is for this reason?!!!!! Here we are people, we are not numbers,this is a game and you get this game very seriously..i think and see.. if we are the number 1 is that we are one big family and with effort, we have won!! please banned me to changer of they 2 and thus fail to be number 1!!!!!! Sender [A]DemonicJ Recipient [V]idem32 Subject RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: banned to ninitoons76 and Sent 09/04/28 11:38:58 I ban all that cheat regardless if they are in UBC or not. to suggest otherwise is offensive I SAY TO DEMONICJ DAY BEFORE THAT THIS PERSON HAVE 2 ACCOUNT( AFTEFF AND CQC-QUETEDEN) BE SAME PERSON,I KNOW WELL! BUT SORRY,I NO SEE JUST THAT THE RULES NO BE FOR THIS PERSON AND FOR OTHERS YES!! AND IF FOR SAY THE TRUTH MY BANNED,PLEASE....BANNED ME!! [ Added: Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:20 pm ] THIS MAIL I RECEIVE NOW OF FLAUREMARINE!! PLEASE NO IS JUST ALL THIS......!!!! Sender [V][Banned]flauremarine Recipient [V]idem32 Subject flauremarine Sent 09/04/28 13:07:24 je ne comprend pas bien pourquoi j'ai été banni, avant de partir de la dynastie, je vous donne tous mes crédits, j'espère que c'est possible je suis désolée de ce qui est arrivé car je cliquai tant que je pouvais mais je ne connais pas les règles du jeu. vous distribuerai mes crédits si c'est possible, en priorité à coco si elle reste car elle m'a beaucoup aidé à comprendre et à m'avertir de ce qu'il fallait faire. Je vais regarder comment je peux faire pour vous donner mes crédits. Je vous remercie de votre gentillesse et de votre accueil. bisous flaure DemonicJ - Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:56 pm Since you would like to share mails between us I thought I would add this one that you seem to have missed. Sender [V]idem32 Recipient [A]DemonicJ Subject RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: banned to ninitoons76 and flau Sent 09/04/28 11:35:55 sorry but,i no see just that the rules be for a person and for other no! i see all it´s this days..... no is just,sorry. please,if you want can banned me to changer of they!!!! i know that MMC UBC need me,but more need me the persons..... maybe all this is because you not want that MMC UBC continue to be number 1º???!!!!!! is for this reason?!!!!! Here we are people, we are not numbers,this is a game and you get this game very seriously..i think and see.. if we are the number 1 is that we are one big family and with effort, we have won!! please banned me to changer of they 2 and thus fail to be number 1!!!!!! While im at it, I would like to also add that while flauremarine was in another dynasty, she was warned about exactly the same thing. She has had her chances & is only off till the 7th of May. Your point about another member running two accounts, did you actually look into whether the accounts were banned before posting this on the forum? No didnt think so. Ferrari - Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:05 pm OMG, a moderator will never ban people because that dynasty is number 1, how on earth you can say that. The moderators on yarold are honest people. if demonicj ban people because the dynasty is 1, than i am sure another admin will jump in. Mr Yarold(stan) would never allow such things from his moderators!! I would say, you ought to be ashamed of yourself... MUSHpark - Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:38 pm
I can't believe people continue to accuse the moderators of doing their job of enforcing the rules because they think they want to play a game. Last time DemonicJ took action against a dynasty the MMC Mob lost 4 allies in a day because people were mad at him. Admin taking action only makes people like us less and makes it harder for our dynasty. Do you really think he would try to mess with people to help us get better? No. He is doing his job. Follow the rules if you want to be #1 fairly. Being #1 by cheating and breaking the rules and code of conduct is like winning sports race while using steroids. Not fair. Not fun. gamamew - Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:54 pm I think that, a disclaimer clause must added to rule #1 in the CoC. "For any reason, never, ever, forever access other users accounts or login to your account on computers where other other people access the Yarold's site also. borracho - Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:00 pm
Ridiculous!! Alba - Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:15 pm
After reading this post over and over, I can't help but be amazed by these accuasations. Im sure that when Yarold made DemonicJ a moderator he did it with complete and total confidence. I find your words towards DemonicJ to be injust ad baseless. If rules have been broken, then they have been broken. Flaure knows perfectly well that no-one can enter her acount. I myself have explained this to her along with the consequences that this prohibided behavior would bring(ban). You can ask her if you'd like as far as that is concerned. A couple of days ago 2 members from Twilight Clickers were banned on the same day. Did DemonicJ ban them because we were #7?? No! He banned them because they broke the rules, plain and simple. We ourselves should be the first ones to be glad that most people follow the rules because the rules are the same for you and me. OMG .this seems incredible to me!! I only hope that these are your personal opinions and not representative of those in your dynasty. It consoles me to think that your ideas are not the same as those of your emperor. GOOD JOB DEMONICJ!! engelina - Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:18 pm
good idea. maybe its best make it a written rule that you never can share your login info with other members. as for the far-fetched accusation done above, i don't think yarolds((the site owner, that is)) would make people that abuse their mod powers mods at all. to even suggests so, for whatever reason, is very wrong. if it had been any other mod, would you have said the same? note: i also would think the mails from yarolds would be something to not post all in the open? at least not unless the other party agrees with it. if i, for example would mail someone, i would not always like to see the other person post it without my permission. mao_nagra - Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:20 pm This trade is becoming a joke in the beginning we whose talking just about a temporary ban but know withe some "stupid" accusations I suppose that we should talk about serious mejores to end this kind of discussions I suppose that a decision of a administrator or a moderator are roles, and in this section the users could just came to ask for a short explanation or to apology for the miss disrespect of the rule bluebell_rose - Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:56 pm Oh zip it why don't you. Your friends multied and they paid the price. Besides if she didn't know how to put links on, she could always ask one of the mods for help in putting a link in. I dont buy the crap she didn't know how to put her own link in. You can always ask for help. The staff are easily accessible. jassej - Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:43 pm
Both have my shogun rule violated and must be banned. BUT 7 days is more than enough. And can you still know Marga if Jeanne was Emperor of The Moblets? And later Kampaku? And while she was with a second account "Shaila" best MMC Mob shogun. Do you still? DemonicJ has known and has not banned Jeanne! Several Emperor is my opinion, banned yes but this is too long time. Perhaps just to MMC UBC to harm? If this is so then it is very sad ... nhhk - Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:51 pm
Jassej, 1. I think the admins knows best, and I can promise that they would be completly honest and fair to everyone, anyway. 2. Respect the admins decisions, or else it can get consequences for you to. Leave it jassej - Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:06 pm
With all respect to you but with your 13 or 14 years you're still too innocent and too naive to understand how some people may be wrong. And I'm sure the Marga can speak for themselves. Yes, the best is all MMC UBC members to banned, then can others be first ... footballer - Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:22 pm ninitoons76 and flaumarine not violated the rules. Account ninitons76 and flaumarine there for a long time and is not multies acc, admin know.Rules so should apply to all, admin not know. engelina - Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:04 pm why does what is a simple ban with a normal reason, is turning into a row of accusations? i would think that any dynsty rather be nr one fair, then by things like banning members, or other means of cheating. maybe you are being a bit too devensive in this, jassej. i have nothing against you, and i do not mind which dynasy is nr one. just as long as they got the place fair. so why do all those accusations? is it really needed to doubt every decision the mnds and admins make? and would you do this accusation too, if it had been another mod, from another dynasty then mmc mob? jassej - Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:13 pm
engelina, ninitoons76 is wrong for too long a time banned. If it is up to 7 days then I say nothing. But until 21.05.2009 is simply too long a time, that's not fair. Because basically they have not done bad. I am not against admin or mod or MMC Mob but rules should be the same for everyone or do you mean it not so? mao_nagra - Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:23 pm [quote="jassej"]
OK but shell we do a constructive discussion in Suggestions ? training to arrive at on solution all together? Zidane - Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:55 am
But how am I expected to know it? For example if I will go visit my dad to another town - I think he is not using Yarold, but there are three, maybe four another people using the computer from times to times - dad´s wife, my female cousin, my male cousin...how can I know if they use Yarold too? Ask them and until then just don´t log into yarold from this computer, because there is a risk someone logged into yarold before or will log after? Of shall I just log and hope and if I will be banned, try to ask for unban because some of my relatives used yarold from the same computer as me? Just asking 
activist - Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:46 am Our Dynasty members broke a rule that a 7 year old would understand and in my opinion the correct punishment was given to them and i ask my fellow Dynasty members to drop it please.HunkyDory,aka MartialLaw [ Added: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:47 am ] P.S. no offense to 7 year olds is intentional or deliberate. Ferrari - Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:07 am
eeeehhh these two people logged in on each others accounts, i think that is totally different. It is allowed to have 2 accounts on same ip if you not log in on each other,or send credits. You only have than less links because the other person also click, and what he click is gone for you. nhhk - Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:26 am
I do think it's you who is wrong here. You don't understand, that the best is to leave it as it is. I can understand your frustration, BUT they broke the rules. Accept that
Don't you really understand yet?? A admin would never do that. THEY BROKE THE RULES. Do you wanna be banned too? But anyway, if you want to keep this discussion, I will leave ya alone MUSHpark - Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:52 pm
It is best not to accuse when you do not know the whole story. Jeanne got permission from Yarold to create a new account because she wished to be anonymous. Yarold locked her out of the jeanne account before she ever accessed sheila, and she was not able to transfer any credits or help her other account in any way. She was never using both accounts at the same time, she got permission from the site owner first, and she started the new account from zero. I believe that if anyone had good reason to want to be anonymous that Yarold would do the same for them. Of course, some people could not be trusted to keep her identity private so once it became known what was happening she quit using sheila completely, forfeiting all the credits she had earned and returning to her original account. She waited for Yarold to switch the code to lock out sheila and then she accessed with jeanne again. At no time was she ever in the dynasty using both accounts or clicking on links on one account with the other. This was all arranged through the site admins so that there would be no cheating. It is totally different than having two people in the same dynasty accessing the same account and turning on links so they could be clicked. So please stop accusing jeanne of cheating or accusing DemonicJ of treating people unequal. Crocmeister - Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:40 pm It seems very hypocritical to me to think it's ok to violate the rules because the owner ok'd it. Why wasn't the"locked" account(which she had accessed between mid feb- to mid March) deleted? If she wanted no one to know--why did she tell so many people? Same reason, I guess, that she told so many people that she & Jay are/were lovers.  Fact is--regardless of what anyone
says--the rules do not cover this kind of behaviour. The rules simply state only 1 account per person, and says not 1 word about accessing/helping any other members' account. It does look like these 2 should've known better--since they've had this situation come up b4. BUT--make it obvious and add a simple line of text to the rules to make it clear. MUSHpark - Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:43 pm
Whoever owns the site gets to make the rules.
I think this is where you go by the "letter of the law" versus the "spirit of the law" or its intent. Yes, the rules say "Do not make multiple accounts. Only one per person is allowed." I believe her intent was to switch to the new, one, account, and never use the old one again. The old one was left hanging around to aid in anonymity (if it had been deleted when the new one was created, the identity of the new account would have been obvious, would it not?) As for why people were told... or others guessed, I don't know all the details. I don't really care. But the bottom line is that this situation, and the situation for the two members who started this thread, is totally different and it is silly to try to make them equal. Crocmeister - Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:56 pm It's still hypocritical. AND--The rule needs to be clarified. I would never have guessed that accessing another persons account, for whatever reason, qualifies as having more than 1 account. jassej - Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:17 pm
Anonymous was not, very many members have known this 
But I did not know all that was with the permission of the admins. Then it is something quite different and I can only say sorry. And I knew that Jeanne is not cheating, they just wanted to rest click. Point is, my two shogun rules have been broken and must be banned. For me, ninitoons to long banned because all the others for the same a week are banned. But they are banned for so long and continue to discuss does not help. Therefore, I propose we have a little fun and go click. DemonicJ - Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:49 pm
To access anothers account requires a login. That means you would have more than 1 login, meaning you would have more than 1 account MUSHpark - Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:11 am
I am glad you see the difference.
Yes! I agree.
Crocmeister - Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:44 am
Sorry--that is just not logical. Ferrari - Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:26 am
It is the most logical ever. ninitoons76 - Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:57 am
of course, for the same rule violated= a ban for 1 week, or 3 weeks, or for ever YES it's logical 
DemonicJ - Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:07 am
one week given as it was the first time someone accessed that account other than the owner. three weeks given to the other as it wasnt the first account accessed or been accessed. Topic is getting rather tiring, suffice to say that an overwhelming majority have worked out going into other members accounts is not permitted & they dont access other peoples accounts . For those of you that do go into other members accounts expect the consequences. Accessing of other peoples accounts is not under any circumstances permitted. Its that simple & logical. |
