Ladywizard - Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:57 am Post subject: dragcave Is dragcave going on timer with the new no snaplinks rule going in place? Tsai - Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:39 pm Lets first wait and see if TJ is actually going to implement code against the use of snaplinks, shall we? And if he does and it would be necessary to have a timer on dragcave links, I am sure the admins will do that. However at this moment everything is still fine without a timer, so please lets keep it that way for now. No need to create a problem where there isn't one yet... Sci - Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:52 pm TJ locked the topic and replaced the text with this image 
no clue what it actually means that he did this but hopefully it means he decided to ignore the use of snapping *hopes* Metalteo - Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: dragcave
What new rule? Sci - Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:22 pm TJ had asked everyone to stop using snaplinks but after 10 pages of heated discussion he locked the topic and replaced all the text in the first post, where he asked snappers to stop, with the above posted image, no official rule has been made and it is not known if TJ still wants snapping to stop or not Metalteo - Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:58 pm I've done some search myself. The site is having problem with multiple pages being opened at once. This is causing high server load, the server can't handle so many requests at once. Timer has been added to Dragon Cave links for the time being. azvojda - Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:29 pm Can somebody explain me what is "snaplinks"? Setting timer on dragcave means I must spare about half an hour more for clicking, that's not good. Why opening several dragcave links at a time causing a problem, but opening several Myminicity does not? If the Yarold time frame is causing that, isn't it better to just remove that frame? Sci - Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:40 pm the frame isn't the problem and snaplinks is a fire fox add on that allows you yo open multiple links in new tabs all at once if the timer is a prob;em time wise for you then just open all dragon cave links in tabs in a new window and let the timers run themselves out, it's only a 30 second wait anyways although even a 15 second wait would do the job, TJ just needs it so that 20-40 DC pages are not opening simultaneously. Metalteo - Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:49 pm http://dragcaveforum.tech...80&#entry899341 filmore - Sun Nov 30, 2008 7:48 pm Problem is now.. when I click the drag-cave links at dynasty page ans switch to main / history, the same links pop up as clickable and after a time I get the "already visited" text.,. alot.. is there a way to handle this problem? Koshka - Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:12 pm We all go a little crazy when there are new eggs. I hope the timer will be removed when we calm down. My understanding was that TJ was concerned with folks snaplinking the main and abandoned pages to try to grab multiple eggs there. I've never done that. But I do open a lot of Dynasty Exchange DC pages at once with Snaplinks. Perhaps I'll slow down on that for the time being. And Metalteo, thanks for the explanation! Ladywizard - Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:13 am It wasn't just the grabbing of eggs though... it was also the egg hatchery type deal where you could have upwards of 10 thousands dragons shown at once times that by even ten people snaplinking them to get their "quota" done you've got a major strain occuring and generally it is more than ten people. I think I got through about 2500 eggs on one page before egg rescue got blacklisted if that puts things in perspective Koshka - Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:21 am Gosh, maybe stop doing that??? L6313 - Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:43 am Thanks to everyone for the info!! Thanks for the explinatations as well! NOW I know whats going on I feel better! Hopefully once the egg craze slows down things will get back to normal. 70Chevelle - Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:41 am
why would it take you any longer at all to click? - just open up the link and let the page set until it clears - its not like you can only open up one at a time - just open them all - yarolds will take care of the time on it and give you credit when it "times in" rhicat - Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:47 am The Dragoncave site was having a problem because a new egg was released on a US holiday weekend. I read the original SnapLink topic on DC forum and TJ did not have a problem with users using SL to *view* eggs. The problem was people using SL to *take eggs* from the main cave and abandoned page. Please, please remove the timer from DC links. Until it is, I have no choice but to discontinue clicking on Yarold's because of the time delay. (Which I hate to do because I love it here) Darrel - Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:29 pm Yes! PLease no timers on Dragcave!  There are too many Dragoncave links, so a minute timer is ====.
70Chevelle - Mon Dec 01, 2008 8:11 pm
you have read the original post incorrectly - TJ specifically states that all the pages opening at once is putting a severe drag on the server - all I'm getting out of all this fuss is that some folks here do NOT click all the links - it's no wonder some peoples avg is so low if they are only clicking links with no timer! Koshka - Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:19 pm I hope the mods will consider removing the timer when things calm down. And I really wouldn't mind opening all the timed pages and going off to lunch or chores.... IF A HAT DIDN'T OCCASIONALLY SHOW UP. I am stuck at my puter until I see all the pages load, if I care about retaining my 100% care. And I do. If there must be a timer (which I do question) then at least don't allow a HAT to open in a timed page. 70Chevelle - Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:00 pm
the HAT will be there when you get back - you don't have to take care of it instantly Koshka - Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:05 pm You have 1/2 an hour to respond to a HAT. If one opens up 50 timed pages and goes to bed, and one page turns into a HAT, you've missed it. malbus - Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:59 pm Just tossing my 2-cents in here. I wouldn't mind the timer so much for Dragon Cave is there weren't so many people with links to it. Last night I counted about 75 DC links on the dynasty page. I tried the idea of opening up a bunch of them and letting them sit until they went through. What ended up with was around 60 being counted and the rest "Sorry, user has no credits left". Besides, to me, it is just a royal pain having a bunch of tabs sitting there waiting to go through while still clicking on other links. Maybe DC needed to upgrade itself before flooding the cave with special eggs. Anyone could have seen the potential server problem with how they distribute eggs there, especially with snaplinks being available (no wonder I never was able to get any of the good eggs as I didn't use snaplinks to grab a stack like others were doing). At least with PP and other timed links, there aren't near as many of them to deal with as there are with the DC links. Ladywizard - Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:13 am only time snaplinks actually was any good for grabbing eggs was with the vampires... anything else you gotta half check description. Good advice on snagging? Flip your graphics off and control click but since he's really ticked at tabbed browsing that might be prob mrpoey - Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:55 am Well, I don't have the time/can't be bothered to wait for the tuns of dragcave links with timer, so I turned off the care/HAT links till it's gone. hidden my link also, so only people I click can click me, so I dont lose all my credits, either way, my link is an outwar link, so I should be hiding it once I get my 10 clicks for Newb pwnage anyways. Restless - Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:01 am Could we at least make it so that HATs won't come up on DC links? I opened a bunch of dc and other links (not with snaplinks) so I could open a new browser window and surf other things while waiting for the dc links to come up. I saw one of the tabs was a HAT so tried to go to that tab to put something in. Firefox froze/locked up and now my perfect CARE is gone. People who've read the FAQ at Dragcave know that clicks on individual eggs are not what causes them to grow. It's the views. A dragon can grow into an adult with only 1 click as long as it has the necessary views. When you open a dc link and the eggs show up, it counts as a view so no matter if you let the page sit there without clicking anything on it, you still get the view. With that in mind, if I could open all those tabs and surf elsewhere while those pages still come up, people will still get their views needed. Sci - Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:44 am my perfect care also was ruined by the dc cooldown, was unaware of the hat being able to come on waiting tabs and missed it I made 103 hat in a row and BANG! =[, also, not only do the come on waiting tabs but they come fast, 2 in five minuets edit: and there went a third one and again9:20 central time, 2h40m from reset domesira - Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:48 am Y'all need to stop misinterpreting what TJ said. Granted he edited his post, but he had two points against mass-clickers like SnapLinks. The first, and largest issue, was server strain. People on fansites (not just Yarold's, but all sites that are basically hatcheries) show anywhere from 10-100's of dragons at once. Some people just snaplink the whole page and open all those links - sometimes upwards of 500+ links at the SAME TIME. That's requests for 500 pages being slammed into the DC server at the exact same instant. Multiplied by however many other users are doing the same thing at that time, and all the users online doing things. The timer, though a pain, is a good thing. And DC has upgraded its servers several times. I think maybe a 20 or 30 second timer on DC would be better than 40, though. Just my personal opinion. The second, and lesser issue, was using SnapLinks to grab multiple eggs at one time. A lot of people used it during the vampire drops because all the eggs were the same thing. SnapLinks does NOT help you get any eggs during any other time! Seriously - in the time it takes you to click and drag the box over the egg link the egg is already gone. It's must faster to just click in the proper spot as fast as you can than to snaplink it. The only other time it would aid you is if you want to grab several eggs off the abandon page and don't care what they are - but so few people grab the commons on there that wouldn't matter. Either way, TJ considers using SnapLinks to grab multiple eggs cheating. Those were his two issues. Using SL to grab eggs was the secondary issue. Unfortunately people latched onto that one and started screeching about it instead of paying attention to the larger issue of server strain. Koshka - Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:04 am I'm sorry you don't understand the difference between what TJ asked of us and the problems that the timer here at Yarolds has caused for many folks. They are two totally different things. We can stop using snaplinks (as TJ requested) to grab eggs on the main and abandoned page. We can curtail our use of snaplinks to click DC links here at yarolds. But the timer imposed by the Yarolds mods is causing problems for people especially regarding missed HATs. Perhaps not for you. But for others. A little empathy might be good. Katewolven - Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:16 am I understand the admins feel the need for there to be a timer on dragcave. I do I really do, trying to keep Yarold's running and not getting it banned from sites due to causing server issues is a HUGE thing. Among many other reasons I get all that. HOWEVER as has been stated here several times, is there a way to prevent the wait timers from turning into HATS? I frequently open 20-30 pages then run off to do chores or run errands, when I return I check all the pages to make sure they have loaded and give credit where needed (even if it means refreshing several times), then close them. HATS prevent me from being able to do this. I simply do not have the time to sit and wait for them all to load with a 45 sec timer. My other solution is maybe reduce the timer to say 5-10 secs between pages, this would also prevent the drag on the server while still giving some time in between pages/dragons loading. 45 secs between pages is just crazy on something that does not require a wait at all. kito - Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:36 am
PLEASE! domesira - Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:41 am
Actually I understood that perfectly. I've had quite a few HATs from the DC wait links myself, and as I stated, I think a shorter wait time would be better. What I was clarifying was the apparent confusion that people have about WHY TJ requested we stop using SnapLinks (and I also stated that it doesn't help that he edited his post because of people going overboard in the thread). I see several posts trying to make it out that the ONLY reason was because people were using it to grab eggs on the main page and abandon page, when that was only the secondary reason. I do have empathy for the people that can't spend a lot of time waiting, or get their CARE messed up. But I also have empathy for all the DC users and TJ that have to deal with the lag caused by people using SnapLinks to open hundreds of DC links simultaneously. Darrel - Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:09 am I agree!if the timer be set to 20 - 30 seconds, it would be better Solrayne - Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:19 pm Actually, doesn't it seem that now the timer is either gone now, or or only there for just a couple seconds? Not sure if I am only one noticing this now or not.... Metalteo - Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:25 pm
Timers are shorter now. Solrayne - Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:51 pm
Ahh, ok, that's better then. For a short time they seemed gone, the just a little while ago I thought I saw a couple again...but they were gone much sooner. 
Thanks for that, so much better to deal witn now.
Katewolven - Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:51 pm
Thanks for that! It makes life so much easier! ratchet freak - Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:50 pm or we could realize that dragcave links are clicklists (each view link is a separate link to click and each gives a reward to something different) and (IMO) ban them from swle as they should I refuse to click the view links simply because of that fact engelina - Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:08 pm just viewing the scroll page already gives each dragon a view and unique view. clicking view is optional. it does help the dragons grow a bit faster if they have clicks, which is why i try to click the view button on each dragon i see, but it is optional. L6313 - Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:05 pm I personally don't mind the timers. I don't mind the hats either. I am having the problem of the timers freezing up so that I have to go back and refresh every page link for the DC so they will load. I am getting a lot of "link already visiied" when the link hasn't already been visited. Dunno why but thats the only issues I seem to have comming up. Otherwise, like I said, I have no reason to complain. The timers all run down while I click Minicity links anyways...and I check for HATS so I can click them. Even with several DC links open I can seem to notice the HATS provided I am not ignoring my computer. Sorry for everyone who is feeling that the timers on the DC links is such a big issue. ratchet freak - Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:10 pm if the view links are optional dragcave shouldn't be a care link cause IMO it's either a CARE link with a click list or not a CARE link at all 70Chevelle - Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:52 pm
this is a good point - while it's nice to have a few clicks on your dragons - they can and have grown up with 0 clicks - and dedicated DC users will click the view link anyway and most others won't whether or not they are care links - it might solve everything just to take them off of care and leave the shortened timer - solves both problems Tsai - Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:00 am This has already been answered before... Dragcave are CARE links because you need to fully load the page. The images of the dragons need to load for them to get a view and/or unique view. They are not CARE links becuase you have to click on the view next to the dragons, because as said before, that is optional. 70Chevelle - Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:46 am
thank you for that answer - I hadn't seen the answer before mrpoey - Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:07 pm
its the same thing for outwar... page has to fully load but it isnt a care link care link or not i can't wait for an hour for the dragcave links, I guess if it wasn't a care link I could just hit the view all button then close the tabs later on! YAY! change it nao! 
Darrel - Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:22 pm Is the timer on the DC links just temporary? Will it be removed after some time? precious - Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:31 pm I understand the need for the timer, however there are *lots* of people refusing to click DC links because of it. I hate this has happened, and I've noticed a dramatic decline in my incoming clicks. I used to get upwards of 500 a day, now I'm barely getting 200. 
I have a feeling I'll need to find an alternate place for them in addtion to Yarold's, so I can get the views I need. For what it's worth, I'm still clicking (and viewing eggs/hatchlings) all DC links...as well as participating in other CARE links.
Metalteo - Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:47 pm DC is lagging so badly that a lot of clicks aren't counting. But when you need more clicks, you can always show your link on main page. There's only 400 people on the dynasty exchange, so you will never get 500 clicks from there anyway. precious - Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:52 pm When I click from main...don't I click people that aren't in my Dynasty? Can they not click back in their history? Just asking because I click every possible link and get clicks back from people clicking in their history. One would think it wouldn't be uncommon to get clicks that way...and have more than 500 incoming clicks... Tsai - Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:08 pm
Yes they can. As long as you are not a VIP everyone can click your link in history if you have clicked theirs, so getting 500 clicks a day is very easy in that way.
I don't understand this comment. You don't need 500 views a day on your dragons! I give my dragons betweeen 75 and 100 views a day only and they grew up all just fine, hatched after 3,5 days, matured after another 3,5 days. Never had any dragon killed because of lack of views. So Yarold's gives you everything you need even if you only get 200 instead of 500 now. Be happy and enjoy the credits you keep from people not clicking your link anymore. In time it might give you the chance to add another link
L6313 - Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:02 pm Well I for one don't mind that folks don't want to click the DC links cause I am getting to build up credits for the first time! Maybe I'll be able to save up enough to actually not have to worry about going negative! YAY! I also clikc on the main page and you can get views for your dragon by changing your link to the view adress instead of the scroll link...and although they seem to be growing a bit slower...my dragons seem to still be getting enough to grow up! So I am kinda happy about the timers...did I just say that?? jkcove08 - Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:48 pm I dont know why everyone is so upset.. The timer is only about 15 seconds. The timer starts as soon as the page is loaded and if you view even one egg or hatchling, which is helpful for them to grow, your time is already up and you can click the next DC link... I dont use the super fast firefox or snaplink but I dont have a problem at all.. Only once in a while will I still have to wait 5 seconds or less. Jenn rhicat - Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:43 am
Many of the 400 dynasty members show more than just one link. Metalteo - Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:46 am
They can still only click your link once. rhicat - Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:50 am
I'm very glad you aren't having problems. I wish it were so for everyone. I (and several others) are experiencing browser and computer crashes with the new timer on such a popular link. For me, the DC links don't simply load one after the other. With the DC lag it takes several repeats of the timer and still the pages don't load. I've had to leave my dynasty because it became impossible for me to maintain my average or credit balance. But that's my problem, not yours or the admins. jkcove08 - Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:03 am
I am sorry to hear that!!! I joined Yarolds because I joined Dragon Cave.. Now I have realized I have Dragon Cave because of Yarolds.. I also have Valenth and Mushi also. This way I can give extra links at happy hour.. All of the different games have problems and hopfully DC problems will be fixed with the new server that TJ has purchased. Good luck and do your best. Jenn Grandpa - Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:23 am
I would agree with Tsai because Dragon Cave eggs and hatchlings simply do not need that many clicks. Eggs have 7 days to mature to hatchlings, not just 3 and 1/2. If they get 50 clicks per day they're fine. About the timers - the current delay seems to be working well, but the timer for the "Your Click Has Been Counted" mark should be increased. For whatever reason(s) my DC click is "counted" by Yarolds before the page is loaded. I'm certain the purpose of DC links being CARE is being defeated at least partially. ~Granps 70Chevelle - Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:00 pm the only thing I can figure out is that the people that are having problems don't open each link in a new tab without leaving main page- its easy enough to do - even without snaplinks - just hold the ctrl button down while you click the link - do that to every link on page and then go through your open line of tabs to see if any need more action - by the time you get to the end everything except the pokeplushie timers will be finished - it just sounds like to me that these folks are just clicking one link at a time and waiting for it to finish - thats the only way I can think of that would take any time at all rhicat - Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:41 am
Not so. I use Snaplinks and open everything up in new tabs. By the time I'm finished with Minicity and other links the DragonCave links are still blank or waiting to load images. 70Chevelle - Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:35 am
if they are blank or waiting to load images - that has NOTHING to do with the yarolds timer - that is because Drag cave is lagging badly rhicat - Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:28 pm The majority of the problem is with DC's lag, yes. But I think the timer and frame on Yarolds isn't helping the issue. Because when I snapclick DC links directly on other fora I do not get computer crashes or browser freezes. The pages do take longer than normal to load but they do load without refreshing. Players everywhere are noticing (and complaining) that their dragons are not getting the views/clicks they used to. As has been stated here, you don't need views in the thousands to get an egg to hatch/mature. Nor will it happen any sooner than 3.5 days. I just had a brood grow up under lag and without a dynasty just fine. Frustrating but fine 
EDIT: It looks like TJ found the cause of the lag so things should be back to normal. And with a new server the site will hopefully be faster. Koshka - Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:18 pm Now that the Autumn Egg frenzy seems to have died down, I hope the ADMINS will consider removing the timer. Our dynasty has lost some wonderful allies for no apparent reason other than the problems created by the DC Timer. ADMINS: Please consider taking it off and seeing how things go now. xKagex - Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:52 pm I'd also like to say that it seems that TJ has sped up what may have seemed to be the lag/speed problem. And now has a server in the works (which may be overkill for now but it's been bought so...). This doesn't get rid of the snaplinks issue, but it doesn't seem that the current timer helps much. Maybe a lower time if it is an issue? Ladywizard - Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:07 pm timer already got lowered to 15 seconds which was actually faster than the pages were loading DemonicJ - Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:49 pm
They told you they dropped you because of the timer? Koshka - Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:33 am They didn't say that, per se, no. Godafoss - Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:30 pm I hope all the problems will be fixed soon and the timer can be removed, because I click 50+ links less than without the timer now. No complaining from over here though, what needs to be done, needs to be done, even if it's not so useful for yourself, it still may be useful for others. What I'm saying: I don't like the timer, but you won't hear me complaining if the timer is indeed neccesary. Ehryn - Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:54 pm Ok, I've actually gone and asked at the Dragon Cave forum (something I'm astonished no-one thought of sooner  ) and the response I got was very clear:
The reason TJ doesn't want people using snaplinks is because it creates a MASSIVE drain on the server, slowing everything down for everyone and causing problems. Basically, at the moment there's nothing in place to STOP people using snaplinks, but TJ is working on a code to prevent it. Therefore, if the timer is removed you will still be unable to use snaplinks once this goes into place. So a 15 second timer is nothing, since it means you are still able to open the number of tabs, they just don't all load immediately. I'm still hoping for a direct answer from TJ, but for now - I suggest we all just get on with it, and I sincerely hope that the admins of Yarolds keep the timer until such time as it is no longer necessary. rhicat - Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:17 pm Thanks for investigating, Ehryn. If I'm understanding the situation correctly, we will still be able to use Snaplinks on Yarolds for links but ctrl-click to view the dragons on the scrolls. Yes? Unless TJ bans Yarolds which I think is very unlikely. Compared to the popular incubator sites, Yarold's traffic is minimal. I tried using one of the fansites and nearly lost five eggs/hatchlings from the insane amount of views! 
For the record, I had five tabs open with DC links just now. One opened immediately, two opened after one round of timer (which is now 25 sec), two opened after a second round of timer. However only three of the five pages loaded properly. Two were blank pages. But it was near the hour drop so I guess that isn't a bad ratio. Ehryn - Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:09 pm Yeah, if you want to view the dragons on the scrolls you have to load each one individually without snaplinking them as otherwise you're still contributing to the server drain I'm guessing ctrl+click is fine as long as you don't load them all too quickly ^^
When I snaplink Yarolds links the majority of the dragon cave links open fine, and as long as I clear my cache or re start firefox from time to time I don't have any problems at all - it's certainly nothing to do with the timer since it's not something that's isolated to DC links for me. evangeline5432 - Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: dragcave • Last I checked it was 20sec long. It needs to be taken off!!! • PaiGow - Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:19 am So how do I return visits to Dragon Cave full of adults, none of which bump view count when I click them ? |
